Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Pelé's matches and goals

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. v/r - T P 23:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pelé's matches and goals[edit]

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This article, and its subarticles (if and when they get created) will violate WP:NOTSTATS; there is also a discrepancy in the number of games/goals in Pelé's career, meaning this article can never be complete. Giant Snowman 16:56, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 16:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The user here is merely trying to disrupt editing. Nevertheless, if that is the case, I can find n u m e r o u s e a m p l e s which that could apply. The matches and goals of what is regarded the best ever player of all times in the sport definetely has 5,550,000 results, more than enough to qualify for its notability. Also, he is the player to have played the most matches and scored the most goals in the sport. Wikiproject football is becoming notorious for eurocentrism and giving a lot of leaway to promoting and keeping European articles but it is next to impossible for articles that aren't European. That is why I refuse to join such group.

As far as the count, sources are plentiful. Here is one of the best ones which details even the date of Pele's matches and goals took place. Strawberry on Vanilla (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTSTATS. (P.S. the "examples" are lists of players, not lists of match results and goals scored by a single player) The Rambling Man (talk) 17:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The article passes WP:NOTSTATS, it is comprised of more than just a recap or summary of Pelé's matches and goals and it does NOT have excessive listings of statistics. The nomination to delete above by The Rambling Man isn't qualified, it just states deleting per WP:NOTSTATS guidelines that the article actually passes. The list within the article of red links regarding lists of Pelé's matches could be merged into the actual List of Pelé's matches and goals, rather than having individual standalone articles. Northamerica1000 (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Um, I didn't nominate it for deletion. Perhaps you need to look again. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably worth noting that this is going to be a "header" article to a bunch of NOTSTATS lists. In case that wasn't clear enough. When we start listing every match and every goal for footballers.... oh dear. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- And having spent a further few minutes thinking, where does this nonsense stop? John Wark's matches and goals? Jason Scotland's matches and goals? Pele was interesting but not that interesting that we need an article on every game he ever played and every goal he ever scored. Steve Claridge would rival him for endurance. I wouldn't want (ever) to see an article (or many articles) listing the games he played in and the odd goal he scored. Why would anyone? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:18, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. There is precedent in having a list of, perhaps, milestone games and/or goals included in the player's main article or a related location but this seems to be a method to advance an agenda and is a great example of the maxim "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." — KV5 • Talk • 23:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – The article isn't in list format, it's written in prose format. Omit the word "list" from the article and it becomes a different type of article. Perhaps rename it to "Pelé's matches and significant accomplishments", and it becomes another type of article. Perhaps a merge of notable information to the Pelé article would be appropriate. This would be superior to simply blanket deleting all of the valid, referenced information that could be included appropriately in the Pelé article. Northamerica1000 (talk) 00:53, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This article is clearly intended to have multiple subpages that will list all his matches and goals. In that way it will violate WP:NOTSTATS. Any significant matches and accomplishments is 1) subjective, and 2) can be easily placed in prose in the Pele article. No need for an additional article(s). Digirami (talk) 02:18, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per WP:NOTSTATS a list of a footballer's games and goals is just overkill. Why is this needed and how do you decide which footballers are "good/notable enough" to have one of these pages. It would be subjective and based on personal opinions, creating a dangerous precedent. Adam4267 (talk) 14:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I agree with Digirami that it would be preferable to include sufficiently referenced details on significant matches within the article on Pelé instead. Deserter1 talk 15:30, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:NOTSTATS and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Anything worth keeping is no doubt already included in the parent article. Argyle 4 Life^talk 07:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - If anyone deserves a set of articles like this, it's probably Pelé, but where do we draw the line? After all, this is probably bordering on listcruft anyway. – Pee Jay 13:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per WP:NOTSTATS and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Alternatively, rename as Notable games of Pelé's and ensure that every game has a reference with significant coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:09, 10 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not directoryCurb Chain (talk) 15:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.