Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NFL records held by Jerry Rice (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Courcelles 20:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of NFL records held by Jerry Rice[edit]

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Good faith nomination on behalf of IP 212.20.248.35 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), who prodded the page even though it is ineligible due to previous AfD. Rationale is "most of these are made up records, largely unsourced, and does any one really care anyway?" —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While I agree that this subject may be notable, the article as it stands now is almost completely unreferenced, and it goes into a ridiculous amount of detail that easily violates WP:TRIVIA (for example, separate lines for receptions in a 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 season period). Additionally, I question the reliability of the one source cited in the article. Unless all the indiscriminate info is trimmed down and/or cited to a reliable source, I say delete. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Amazing records, but WP is not a sports database. I'm sure the most important are already given in his article. An external link could be provided there to some site which gives a complete list. Borock (talk) 14:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 15:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 15:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge only notable ones to Jerry Rice per WP:NOT#STATS. Grsz¹¹ 15:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Most seasons with 1,500 yards receiving and 30 yards rushing? Most seasons with 1,500 yards receiving and 60 yards rushing? What about most seasons with 1,500 yards receiving and 31 yards rushing!--Paul McDonald (talk) 19:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The important records can be listed in the Rice article. Also, the sole source for the list is JerryRice.net. Is that even a reliable, independent source? Cbl62 (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The notable records he holds are adequately covered at Jerry Rice#Legacy. The rest ("Games with 100+ yards from scrimmage after 40th birthday (7)" ? Srsly?) is just trivia, and should be tossed per WP:NOTSTATS. Tarc (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - who put these in? Records vs Falcons, saints and Rams - well DUH! he did play them twice a year. Severe Trivia, all completely unsourced - several probably OR - and most not actual records. 188.221.79.22 (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If these are actual records people keep track of it, then keep it. It would all fit in his main article, so its here. The sources are from any newspaper, sports encyclopedia, or book about this person ever published. The NFL might even have an official website listing all the stats. Does anyone sincerely doubt any of this information? Dream Focus 21:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- Mostly a bunch of numbers specially selected in order for Jerry Rice to be the record-holder. That puts this entire article in dangerous waters regarding WP:OR and WP:NPOV. If you trim the indiscriminate invented numbers you get some credible personal records that are already covered in sufficient depth at the main article. Reyk _YO! 00:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- "prodded the page even though it is ineligible due to previous AfD" - ooh, sorry - didn't realise that. Thanks for starting this instead then. 212.20.248.35 (talk) 08:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Again, this is an obsessive compilation of a few "official" records-- i.e., those that are published the NFL Record Manual -- and a lot of original synthesis in the form of using real facts for "made-up" categories. They're all true, but how many different superlatives can one think of for one person? It's a great accomplishment that he holds the record for "Most touchdowns, career" (208), "Most Pass Receptions, Career" (1,549) and "Most Yards Gained, Career" (22,895) and "Most Yards Gained, Season" (1848), among others. The NFL Record Manual doesn't have things like "Most touchdowns made in one state" or "Most go-ahead or tying touchdowns" or "Most seasons with at least 1 reception" or "Most games with 10+ receptions & 140+ receiving yards", etc. And the honor of "Only player with a 40+ yard touchdown pass, a 40+ yard touchdown run, & a 95+ yard touchdown reception, & a fumble recovery for a touchdown" is one of many odd inventions made by the article creators. Consider Barry Bonds, only MLB player to hit 762 home runs. Only MLB player to hit 761 home runs. Only MLB player to hit 760 home runs. Mandsford 19:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.