Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indonesian football transfers 2017

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —MRD2014 ^{Talk • Edits • Help!} 01:34, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Indonesian football transfers 2017[edit]

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Deprodded without improvement, rationale was "fix it then. Deletion is not cleanup". While the sentiment is correct, it failed to address the concern for deletion which was "Uncited article, delete as per WP:NOTSTATS". So now we're here. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:26, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions.CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:42, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There do seem to be a lot of such lists in Category:Football transfers summer 2017 and Category:Association football transfers. I've no take as to the notability of this list, though. (As for the lack of citations, well, deletion is not cleanup.) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:44, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And, well WP:OSE isn't really a valid argument. The deletion argument is not one of notability, as there is plenty of sourcing regarding any trade at the professional level of a sport. Rather, the deletion rationale is one of WP:NOTSTATS. What makes this particular list of these particular trades notable? Oh yeah, that would be... nothing. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NOTSTATS doesn't actually apply here because this is a list of transfers, not a list of statistics. With that argument not applicable, what makes these not notable? CJK09 (talk) 00:22, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - there are plenty of coverage and sources regarding this topic online (yes mostly in Indonesian but that is understandable). Deletion is not clean up and I've started adding citations. Inter&anthro (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep not only is deletion not cleanup, but NOTSTATS doesn't even apply here - this isn't a list of statistics, it's a list of transfers, which are completely different. (Note: I'm the one who removed the PROD template) CJK09 (talk) 00:24, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, actually, no it's not. WP:STATS includes WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and no one has yet to explain why this list does not fall under that guideline.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:52, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's a list of all Indonesian football transfers from this year. That is a very well-defined set and is in no way indiscriminate. CJK09 (talk) 03:23, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To elaborate further, here is the full text of INDISCRIMINATE:

Excessive listings of unexplained statistics. Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing; accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability, and articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context. Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article. (e.g., statistics from the main article United States presidential election, 2012 have been moved to a related article Nationwide opinion polling for the United States presidential election, 2012).

"Unexplained statistics". Not only is the list not of statistics but instead of events, proper context is given to the items of the list.

Done

"Accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability". The article does this.

Done

"Articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context". There certainly should be more than one sentence of context, but that's not a deletion issue, that's a "fix it" issue. Anyway, the bare minimum is established and should be improved upon.

In progress (I would do this myself, except that I know almost nothing about football and would be likely to make a factual mistake)

"Where statistics are so lengthy as to impede the readability of the article, the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article." This is exactly what this article does. To avoid the main article on Liga 1 being clogged with lengthy lists of transfers, the lists are instead located on this separate page.

Done

I'm really not sure what you're seeing here. And once again, you're completely ignoring the fact that this page lists events, not statistics. CJK09 (talk) 04:16, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CJK09, in the future, please don't use label templates to illustrate your points at Afd, as proscribed at WP:AFDFORMAT. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:54, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets WP:LISTN, plenty of coverage of transfers in Indonesian football in local language sources. Fenix down (talk) 10:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - standard list; needs improving, not deleting. Giant Snowman 20:23, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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