Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of German Open Women's Singles champions in badminton

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Consensus is that improvement is needed, not deletion. Star Mississippi 22:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of German Open Women's Singles champions in badminton[edit]

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No reliable sources of reference, no interwiki articles and most importantly it is an incomplete list and has been like this since it's creation years ago. List of champions can already be seen from here German Open. zoglophie 05:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. zoglophie 05:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. zoglophie 05:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. zoglophie 05:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:17, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While an incomplete list currently, the subject is a discrete list that can be filled out completely. Any issues of lacking interwiki articles or references can be fixed through improvements, as there is certainly no question of those being available. As for having a separate list page, I decided to check some other sports tournament articles, such as the Australian Open (tennis) or the LEN European Aquatics Championships (swimming), and it is incredibly common to have separate list articles for male and female champions and then split into singles or doubles lists as well if the sport has that. So, there's clearly precedent for having this sort of list. Overall, I don't see the problem here. Clearly both this article and the main German Open article need some improvements, but that's not an argument for deletion. Silver seren^C 01:54, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As Silver seren states, this is a very common way to reduce the size of the top-level article on sports tournaments. There's no requirement for "interwiki articles". What's unreliable about the source from www.german-openminton.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Statistiken/Winner_1955_2006.pdf ? Espresso Addict (talk) 02:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The fact that the list is incomplete is no justification for deletion. If it was, there would be very few lists on Wikipedia. The source given seems reliable enough. This said, further work is required on the list.--Ipigott (talk) 08:43, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : Ipigott, Espresso Addict, Silver seren Article needs additional independent sources, the source given in the article has list of winners for limited number of years (upto 2005) something, and if that is what this article is about (List of winners), it is exactly the same as German Open (main article). Only thing separating both of them is list of runners-up which is incomplete and need sources for each of them for verification. If the argument is further work is required than why not the concerned party is doing so? I personally think individual lists is just a burden upon other editors to fill them up, if they are actually eager to make those additional lists they have to have sources for each year which could possibly provide the distinction from the main article. And lastly if one is not even serious about making a good-looking complete list, they must spend more time on pursuing references.zoglophie 10:26, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Zoglophie: Thanks fist of all for the tremendous efforts you have made to improve coverage of badminton and badminton players on the EN wiki, including many biographies of women. My response above was specifically in connection with your proposal to have the list deleted. Suggesting that it needs to be improved does not mean I intend to work on it myself as I am no expert on sports and have little knowledge of badminton. It is to be hoped that editors more familiar with the subject will make the necessary additions if the list is maintained. I also note from your comments that you seem to think it would be useful to merge this list with the article on German Open. This might be a sensible suggestion but should have been proposed separately and not part of AfD. Maybe you can return to it later.--Ipigott (talk) 10:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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