Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lay (singer) (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Exo members. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 12:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lay (singer)[edit]

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The article was nominated and deleted beforehand: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lay (singer). It was recreated 3 months later with the same content, no real differences or major event added that would prove he is notable outside his band. Article uses fansites and personal blogs as sources. I also request that the after being redirected to List of Exo members, the redirect be protected against recreation. if someone wants to recreate the article once his notability is proven as a solo performer, they can request it at the talk page, providing sufficient reliable sources. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 12:56, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete then redirect to List of Exo members. The Allkpop references cited are about EXO, not Lay and notability is not inherited. The few other references are fansites/blogs and not reliable sources. Fails the notability guideline for musicians and ensembles. Not sure about stopping recreation short of full protection for the redirect. Philg88 ^♦talk 06:40, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:48, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:48, 30 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Philg88 ^♦talk 06:40, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Noteable enough for 3 reasons... 1. A local child star in China appearing in many variety shows and contests since a very young age... For China, he is equivalent popular to that of an American Idol contestant... 2. Is an influential figure in most of Asia since he has more than million followers on SNS like Weibo, Instagram etc...and growing... 3. He is member of a popular/notable boy band, with participation in other acts and projects outside that band too, like SM Performance... FudgeFury^{(talk|sign|contribs)} 19:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plus, he has also been listed in Top 10 Most Handsome Asian Men lists twice by Asian media... one time even garnering 27 million public votes... This counts as an achievement in Asia, if not in USA... (see references on page) FudgeFury^{(talk|sign|contribs)} 19:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

These are typical fangirl "reasongings". Someone will not be notable just because he is popular. These are two different notions. Youtube/Twitter/Instagram follower numbers do not mean encyclopedia notability. If it were so, any youtube flick maker could have an article. What you need to provide is credible sources that discuss Lay and his individual achievements and not his career in the light of his band only. Currently I do not see any credible major sources who cover him only. Popularity polls where fangirls sit in front of their computers and operate voting bots to increase votes hardly matter as major achievements, I'm afraid... 27 million votes and not 27 million people voting.Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 18:27, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - subject does not warrant a seperate article from the group. 1292simon (talk) 13:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Not much going on here, independently. Even as a piece of the group, he doesn't seem particularly indispensable or different from the others. If he was hit by a bus tomorrow, there are countless other aspiring stars for the pop company to make do the exact same things. This SM the Performance thing isn't at all "outside the band", in real life. Only in branding.

Voting is something the voters or pollsters do, not the subject of the vote. Five billion people could think he was sexy, and it still wouldn't count as an accomplishment itself. But it would be worth noting, if he already had an article for valid reasons. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.