Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knockbridge GAA

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The result was speedy keep (withdrawn by nominator). (non-admin closure) Ovinus (talk) 16:06, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Knockbridge GAA[edit]

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Long-ago contested PROD. A village amateur group; no evidence of NORG-level notability that I could find. Per Guliolopez, suggest redirect to Knockbridge#Sport. Ovinus (talk) 21:42, 7 August 2022 (UTC) Revised 01:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Ireland. Ovinus (talk) 21:42, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. While a "village amateur" club (a description applicable to almost any GAA club), there is evidence of material coverage in regional and (importantly for the guideline) national newspapers. Including regionals in the Independent News & Media stable ([1] [2] [3]), and nationally in the Irish Examiner ([4]). While not overwhelming, deletion doesn't seem an appropriate approach. While, personally, I think a standalone article is warranted, if others disagree then merge/redirection to Knockbridge#Sport would seem an appropriate alternative to deletion. Guliolopez (talk) 23:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for adding new sources, and I missed many of them during my search; didn't really know how the GAA works. I would say it might pass GNG through the sources, but they don't have sufficient depth (on, say, the history of the club) for WP:NORG. [5] has a little bit, not much. A redirect to Knockbridge#Sport per WP:ATD would be excellent. Ovinus (talk) 01:09, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Hiya. In terms of the:
  • Redirect suggestion - in this update to the original nom you added "Per Guliolopez, suggest redirect to [[Knockbridge#Sport]]". For avoidance of doubt, my recommendation is to "keep" a standalone article. My "redirect" suggestion was, as stated, only as a (fallback) ATD. While I hope that's (now) clear, I'm not sure your updated nom has fully reflected my actual recommendation.
  • "[independent/reliable sources] on, say, the history of the club" - I've found and added a source (The Sunday Times (UK)) which covers the history and foundation of the club. Given that it's paywalled, I added a quote. To aid in VER.
All the best. Guliolopez (talk) 10:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the sources. Notability is at least plausible imo, so I'm withdrawing this nomination as there haven't been any other deletion votes and I think leaving it open would be wasting the community's time. Ovinus (talk) 16:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Sufficient references in the national press to establish notability. The GAA'S amateur status shouldn't come into this, it's entirely irrelevant. Finnegas (talk) 22:26, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Let's make a source table:
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/timeline/foundation-knockbridge-gaa-club Yes No No No
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40059158.html Yes Yes No No
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/argus/sport/other-sports/knockbridge-win-their-first-hurling-cship-26924171.html Yes Yes ? Probably doesn't satisfy WP:ORGDEPTH; it's only about a game they played and doesn't talk about history or other aspects ? Unknown
https://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/louth-shc-final-knockbridge-overcome-st-fechins/ No value not understood value not understood No
https://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/more-joy-for-danesfort-26350637.html Yes Yes No No
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/louth/sport/gaa/st-fechins-star-sean-kerrisk-completes-unique-louth-gaa-title-tally-its-great-when-youre-winning-41895985.html ? interview Yes No focuses on a particular player No
https://www.hoganstand.com/county/louth/article/index/224248 Yes Yes No Doesn't satisfy WP:ORGDEPTH—it's only about a game No
https://hoganstand.com/Louth/article/index/290927 Yes Yes No Doesn't satisfy WP:ORGDEPTH—it's only about a game No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
I agree their amateur status has no bearing on their notability, but it's very unintuitive (to me) that we should have articles on individual GAA clubs. All that said, I'm an American and maybe don't understand the importance or nature of GAA. Ovinus (talk) 01:22, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.