Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Porter

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. I've ignored the potential sock puppetry and canvassing, but what's left is a growing opinion that there are sufficient sources to improve the article, and therefore it shouldn't be deleted. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Porter[edit]

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Unsourced biography that has been bouncing back and forth from a stub without sources to a redirect. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. At best, return to a redirect to Sean Combs#Family and protect. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 23:17, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Refs 1, 3, and 7 are solid, I'm not sure what the issue is. Oaktree b (talk) 01:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment When nominated, the article had no sources at all. Question whether the sources added since nom are sufficient for WP:NACTOR and/or WP:BIO. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 17:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Single purpose accounts and IP addresses contributions prior to this being semi-protected to avoid disruption. Daniel (talk) 19:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the page. She is someone that was a celeb in her own rite and connected to a lot of celebrities. 104.136.7.126 (talk) 02:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — 104.136.7.126 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
I agree that Ms. Kim Porter's Wikipedia page should remain intact. Ms.Porter is a separate individual from Mr. Combs who is deserving in her own right to be remembered. Please do not redirect Ms. Porter's page to Mr. Combs. Nuqueendna (talk) 07:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — Nuqueendna (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Agreed 71.178.178.126 (talk) 03:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — 71.178.178.126 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep: The page is basic biographical information. Considering that the subject was with a celebrity and existed around celebrities, all of the sources are legitimate. The media sources are from mainstream media magazines.PushinUpdates (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — PushinUpdates (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep: The page consists of legitimate biographical information regarding the celebrity. Different sources online prove it is legitimate. Looking up the individual, her information from Wikipedia is completely gone.
Resources101 (talk) 03:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — Resources101 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment Resources101, do you know PushinUpdates? Or any other current or former editors? Just wondering how you both found this AFD discussion on your first day as an editor. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: the information on the page is true and someone is trying to delete Kim Porter's page for nefarious reasons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.186.234.36 (talk) 05:05, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — 104.186.234.36 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Diddy is trying to make this page go away. Kim Porter was a celebrity in her own right. Do not let Diddy get away with deleting her memories too! 2601:2C5:C380:7CF0:491C:D345:51A4:8D09 (talk) 14:08, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — 2601:2C5:C380:7CF0:491C:D345:51A4:8D09 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 2601:2C5:C380:7CF0:491C:D345:51A4:8D09 (UTC).[reply]

You should be ashamed for trying to take down this page. She was not married to Sean Combs. The page should not be linked to Sean Combs. He did not treat her well and should not control what people know about this beautiful woman. Leave this site alone. 104.186.234.36 (talk) 05:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — 104.186.234.36 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Just discuss the sources please, I don't care for the rest of it. Oaktree b (talk) 15:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please Don't Erase Kim Porter from Wiki. She is an important person loved by millions. It's hard enough knowing she's passed away. Please do not wipe away information about her and who she was.A Loving Mother, Model, Entrepreneur, daughter, sister and friend. Why are you even considering this, its hurtful. She's a shining example of love to the African American community and those who honor and love her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.252.70 (talk) 17:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC) — 99.188.252.70 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete. Changing my response. Im not sure there's enough for WP:ACTOR or even WP:GNG. There are a number of short articles specifically related to her death, and one article about her in a magazine from 2008. I'm not convinced there was enough WP:SIGCOV of her. A lot of tabloid stuff, and mostly just mentioning her because she was dating Sean Combs. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (saw notice at AN). In addition to general sourcing improvements by Melonkelon (her non-Diddy life briefly summarized by AJC), sources of significant coverage include this Essence dual profile (page two) and the Jet cover story. The Source article apparently has more but only offline. These alone suggest notability, but there are also other decent sources to add such as this Atlanta Constitution writeup of Three Brown Girls, this remembrance in Bustle (more than a typical aggregation of social media posts), and this semi-independent profile for Runway magazine. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. DrowssapSMM (talk) (contributions) 01:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Neutral~~ - This is the first time I've seen someone wanting to out-right delete an article talk page, because they don't like the edits therein. You have the options of (1) Simply delete the edits if you think they are disruptive, or (2) archive the edits. — Maile (talk) 03:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - That said, the Personal life section in the article does not confer any notability on Kim Porter. That leaves the Career section, and there's just no substance there to give her notability. All these instances of "appeared in" could be nothing more than small parts, or walk-ons. This just doesn't look notable to me. — Maile (talk) 03:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Maile66: Even setting aside the WP:NOTINHERIT argument, there's just no substance there isn't how notability is assessed: see my comment above, the Jet cover story and Source article in particular. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 16:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thanks for your input. — Maile (talk) 20:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. Not seeing independent notability from these sources. JoelleJay (talk) 05:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: Weak keep. The Jet magazine spread wasn't loading more than one page for me earlier, which made it seem much less comprehensive than it is. That said, I'm generally hesitant to attribute much weight to celebrity-oriented magazine stories that are based around interviews. JoelleJay (talk) 04:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The erasure of Kim's page will play into the narrative that Sean "Diddy" Combs is trying to cover up something nefarious. Let's not turn Wikipedia into a gossip rag. Her page should NOT be deleted as she's a significant figure in the world of Black American celebrities as both a model, a wife/girlfriend, and a mother to children who are now famous themselves. Also, per her status, sources will be media magazines and other smaller publications most likely, which tracks as non A-list ethnic celebrities generally aren't covered by mainstream media. — J (talk) 00:15, 26 November 2023 (EST) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Chaoticdiva (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion.

Keep. She was a model for decades that turned into acting. Her death was covered by every major publication there is. If necessary it could be an actor/model stub but a complete deletion is not needed. Dam!ta (talk) 16:33, 26 November 2023 (UTC) — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Dam!ta (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. [reply]
I've not canvassed this discussion. I was shocked to see she would even be up for deletion. She's been on the cover or major magazines, an acting career, a notable model. Dam!ta (talk) 04:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A three-month gap of editing to come back and immediately and only !vote here seems questionable. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Diddy, Kim Porter have been in the news a lot over the last few weeks. I'm not sure how that's questionable. 14:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC) Dam!ta (talk) 14:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Hameltion and Dam!ta. I think there is significant, independent and reliable coverage of Porter. She had a cover story and 5-page spread in Jet magazine; both her death and cause of death were covered in major publications like Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, Billboard, Essence and The Sydney Morning Herald; she received coverage for her role in co-founding Three Brown Girls and for her roles in film and TV. As Dam!ta mentioned, she had been a model since the 1980s, and had shot a number of ad campaigns. Article should be expanded rather than deleted, as based on what I have read, she was modeling internationally with Wilhelmina Models, so there is likely some more coverage of that time period. As Hameltion mentioned, not all of this coverage is available online; some of the coverage is only available in printed magazines like The Source and Runway Magazine (and she was on the cover of the latter). Melonkelon (talk) 19:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep given there are multiple RS to support notability [1] [2], her obituary was published in the NYT, and she had a Jet Magazine cover article from 2008 [3]. This nomination is baffling.--Citrivescence (talk) 02:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's how I feel. It's a little baffling that her page is up for deletion. Dam!ta (talk) 14:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG (plenty of focused coverage referenced throughout this discussion, in well-respected publications) and WP:HEY (well done to Melonkelon and the many other editors who contributed sources and edits to this article, which is in much better shape than when it was first nominated). Cielquiparle (talk) 03:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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