Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Levine (musician)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. A spirited defense by User:FreeRangeFrog, but consensus is to delete.Kubigula (talk) 23:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Levine (musician)[edit]

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This page looks to me like nothing other than a personal advertisement. I don’t see evidence of any significant contribution to a particular genre of music, the music industry in general, etc. It appears that the subject was covered about 40 years ago in a small number of articles by a regional newspaper in South Africa, however this does not constitute significant coverage. The subject fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV, WP:NRVE (Of the 3 sources, 2 and 3 are links to Levine’s personal website. Source 1 is a broken link), WP:ARTIST, WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, etc. Pagepatrol007 (talk) 17:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I remember this landing on WP:BLP/N a few weeks ago and I remember noting it would be difficult to source the subject's notability, as he was active primarily in South Africa in the 1970s. Well that's true. It is difficult! I added a couple of references to the article, including a mention in a 1975 issue of Billboard magazine to the effect that one of his songs was doing well in the charts, plus one from a listing in a book about contemporary South African music where he is credited with having written "Baby Love Affair". I don't pretend that this is significant coverage as we define it, but I do believe that given the amount of videos and views on YouTube from these songs that they must have been very popular. I have no idea how music was charted in SA in the 70s, but a mention in that context from Billboard is not trivial at all. Just one of those cases where I have a hunch we're missing a lot of possible sources simply because they are offline. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not reasonable to rely on speculation about the existence of notable/significant offline sources to justify the existence of this page. As it stands, nobody has found any independent secondary sources that demonstrate Levine meets the criteria for a wiki page, as outlined in WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV. If such sources do exist I encourage the creators of this page or anybody else interested in this topic to find them and upload them. Right now however this page still completely fails to meet all of the eligibility criteria I mentioned in my nom.

And with regards to the mention in Billboard and the book on the contemporary music in South Africa, both are absolutely trivial mentions. In Billboard there was an article written about the company that Levine’s co-writer founded. In one sentence of the article, it mentioned that Levine was a member of a group called Buttercup that wrote a popular song. The same is true for the two sentences where Levine is mentioned in the book. There is no emphasis on Levine whatsoever.

With regards to the handful of youtube clips of Levine/the group Buttercup, all of them except 1 had views numbering in the hundreds. Only one had over 1000 (~5000). This does not illustrate any notable level of popularity/significance/notability etc.

I could maybe see this individual’s page being incorporated into a larger article about the contemporary South African music industry or a similar topic. However because the page clearly fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV etc this should not be left as a standalone article. Pagepatrol007 (talk) 02:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:04, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Tom Morris (talk) 11:25, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:MUSIC, does not appear to be any in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Specifically nothing we can really build an article around. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SIGCOV and WP:NRVE, a Google search failed to reveal anything else about him that we could include. Therefore, it fails to indicate notability. Discography also seems to be a list of promotional content. — kikichugirl ^inquire 19:33, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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