Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Orenduff (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There is a weak consensus in this discussion that his participation in the Pan American games merits a standalone article. However, I would recommend further discussion on this issue at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports). Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Orenduff[edit]

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This is a career minor league player who fails WP:GNG by lacking significant coverage in multiple sources that is not WP:ROUTINE coverage. While he participated in the Pan American Games, there was no consensus at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 8#Baseball participants in Pan American Games that this qualifies for presumed notability per WP:NSPORTS as a "major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level" for the sport of baseball (unlike the Olympics or World Baseball Classic). This person seems to be a WP:Run-of-the-mill minor league player not notable enough for a standalone article.

Note that the consensus of the previous AfD was to "Merge" to Los Angeles Dodgers minor league players, but the article was restored when he was released by the Dodgers. If he was not notable before when he was on a team, he should not be notable now that he is not on a team. —Bagumba (talk) 23:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. ——Bagumba (talk) 23:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. ——Bagumba (talk) 23:20, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I consider his performance for the U.S. National team at the 2003 Pan American Games enough notability for him to have a stand alone article. Also note that he was an All-American in college, a 1st round draft pick and spent some time on the Dodgers 40-man roster.. The previous afd resulted in a compromise merge, no consensus existed there for deletion. Spanneraol (talk) 23:29, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a number of news articles about him from 2003-2004 but they are mostly behind pay walls so i haven't been able to access them. Spanneraol (talk) 23:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as per my !Vote last AFD, since he represented the US in a major international competition (and won a medal). -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 23:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also like to note that the lack of "consensus at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)" about the significance of the Pan Am games consisted of one editor asking the question, me saying that I felt it was significant, and two other editors more-or-less shrugging their shoulders on the question. So if there wasn't a consensus that it was significant, there definitely wasn't a consensus that it wasn't, either. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 23:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, we have an established precedent that athletes representing their country at major international competitions are deemed notable. Whatever the discussion is about the quality of the competitions, the Pan Am games, as a continental area multiple sport championship is secondary as an international competition only to the Olympics. And as a medalist even in a team sport, the members of that team are notable by our definition. Case closed. Trackinfo (talk) 02:37, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CANVAS, disclosing that all previous AfD participants have been notified about this new AfD —Bagumba (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:CANVAS, disclosing that all previous participants at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 8#Baseball participants in Pan American Games have been notified of this AfD —Bagumba (talk) 00:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.