Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Consensus is the article should be improved, rather than deleted. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:47, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Some of the article's sources talk about joy but some talk about happiness. Should the topics be separate or should this be turned back into a redirect to Happiness? If this article was kept, it would need to basically be remade from the ground up, but I don't know if it needs to be a separate page. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:10, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Psychology-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's a mess. I won't fight very much, but surfing for "joy versus happiness" indicates that there are two very different concepts, the short-living emotion and the long-term state of mind. Unfortunately the two meanings are getting mixed up. Rather than merging them, can't we work on discerning them more clearly? LucSaffre (talk) 11:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have made improvements to the page, by reworking the lead, adding a citation for "joy vs. happiness", and information and citations about the psychological and health benefits of experiencing joy. I could find multiple reliable sources (such as one from The Conversation and another from Washington Post as well as scientific journals) on why joy is very good for us, but finding citations for the distinction between joy and happiness turned out to be a lot harder. I can find several on Psychology Today, but I also tried to find other sources, keeping in mind Wikipedia's policies about sourcing. When in doubt about a site I was not sure about, I searched on Wikipedia to see if other articles used the site as a source. I have started a discussion at RSN for Impactus and Learning Mind. I have citations for "joy vs. happiness" from both sites, and if they turn out to be reliable, I will add them. Seckends (talk) 14:47, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly a highly notable concept, as human emotional states generally are, and distinguishable enough to have a separate article. BD2412 T 13:50, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are many similarities between joy and happiness as expression and feelings but there are also many big differences when it comes to the state of the person. I am just finishing a lengthy study on this very topic of joy and happiness, and hope to contribute to tis article shortly. And just a note to BD2412 T they are distinguishable enough to have a separate article. Happy Ship (talk) 20:10, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.