Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John R. Miles

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John R. Miles[edit]

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The sourcing of this article consists of the typical self-promotion one would expect of a person whose current job is trying to sell himself as a motivational speaker. Lots of profiles written by himself or his marketing team published on sites where he writes; interviews; advertorials. A Google search brings up nothing better. The claim of "CIO at Dell Computers" fails verification; the two sources cited list him only as a VP (not a CIO). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Military. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no credible assertion of notability, obvious promotional tone, probable COI by an s.p.a. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please accept my apologies as I was unaware of this stipulation. Can we default back to John's original listing prior to me making changes and I will not edit his page moving forward. If there are any more edit s to be made moving forward, I will ensure that the individual making them does not have a vested interest in John or his work. The page has been on Wikipedia for a substantial time and we just wanted to make some key changes to the information to better represent John. We would love to get the original page re-instated rather than the deletion option and I will not make any changes moving forward:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_R._Miles&oldid=1209709820 Creativeedge1 (talk) 15:36, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- @Creativeedge1: The article had no better signs of notability before you edited it. But I would recommend that you declare a conflict of interest with the subject, especially if you are being paid to edit the article. And, December 2023 does not constitute "a substantial time." 15:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Your edits have not significantly changed anything, for better or worse. It would still have the same issues that are being flagged now. WikiMane (TP2001) (talk) 17:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have now added the conflict of interest aspect onto my own page. How does one add an author page onto John's site as we will find someone to do it since I cannot based on the conflict of interest aspect. Thank you. 2001:56A:F63E:4B00:38A8:B7D:1A51:47FB (talk) 12:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2001:56A:F63E:4B00:38A8:B7D:1A51:47FB and Mickey Mikkelson of Creative Edge: It's not clear what you mean by "add an author page onto John's site"? If Miles has his own website, you can hire someone to edit that however you like. If you are talking about adding information to the John R. Miles biography here at Wikipedia, since you have declared your COI, you are free to suggest edits to the article at Talk:John R. Miles while this discussion is ongoing — in fact, you are encouraged to if you can add material that will bolster arguments for his notability. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:39, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If his book "Passion Struck" was a page on Wikipedia, then it would increase this page's chances. (Not sure why "author" isn't listed at the top of the page). Same goes for the podcast.

How do I do this?? 2001:56A:F63E:4B00:38A8:B7D:1A51:47FB (talk) 12:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the point of that comment was that if his book Passion Struck were notable enough for its own Wikipedia page, that might be something. There are two problems with that argument:

I don't believe the book is notable enough for its own Wikipedia page;
even if it were, that would just result in a finding that Miles' biography should be reduced to a redirect to the article about the book.

- WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: PR items are all I find. Being in the Navy isn't notable, rest reads like a resume. PROMO Oaktree b (talk) 15:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete:: If his book "Passion Struck" was a page on Wikipedia, then it would increase this page's chances. (Not sure why "author" isn't listed at the top of the page). Same goes for the podcast. (Although I note that the citations, even on the older version of the page, don't support its claim for such a high status.) As it stands, the sources aren't strong enough for notability. WikiMane (TP2001) (talk) 17:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These substantiate the book and podcast: https://www.hofferaward.com/First-Horizon-Award-finalists.html , https://thebestbusinessminds.com/award-winners , https://nextbigideaclub.com/magazine/next-big-idea-clubs-february-2024-must-read-books/46393/, https://interviewvalet.com/20-great-podcasts-for-conversation/ https://interviewvalet.com/20-great-podcasts-for-business-and-mindset/ https://podcasts.feedspot.com/inspirational_podcasts/ https://chartable.com/teams/passion-struckthe-passion-struc/dashboard?podcast_id=the-passion-struck-podcast 47.199.136.4 (talk) 18:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://chartable.com/podcasts/the-passion-struck-podcast 47.199.136.4 (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How does one go about creating an author page. I am told the author cannot do it themselves. Passionstruck (talk) 17:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These sources confirm CIO at Dell: https://www.enterpriseappstoday.com/news/online-crm-leader-launches-chatter-social-networking-for-its-cloud-services.html, https://pitchbook.com/profiles/person/71293-60P#positions, https://www.marketscreener.com/insider/JOHN-MILES-A1EQA5/, 47.199.136.4 (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PR items confirming he isn't notable. Interviews don't help either I'm afraid. Oaktree b (talk) 21:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am struggling with this entire topic of notoriety. What needs to be demonstrated to showcase notoriety? How does one create a book page as I have always been told the author cannot create their own page for themselves or their works. Passionstruck (talk) 17:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are these notable: https://wraltechwire.com/2005/01/03/seven-georgia-it-professionals-crack-computerworlds-premier-100-it-leader-list/,https://www.eweek.com/security/lend-lease-constructs-highrise-for-security/, https://www.networkworld.com/article/875884/the-big-management-fix-2004-12-27.html, https://www2.cso.com.au/article/6925/erecting_secure_infrastructure/, https://www.computerworld.com/article/1707631/real-estate-firm-mixes-it-management.html, https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120109005438/en/Catalina-Names-Former-Dell-Executive-John-Miles-as-New-Chief-Information-Officer, https://diversitymbamagazine.com/uncategorized/john-miles-12th-annual-elite-business-leaders-conference-speaker/, Passionstruck (talk) 17:44, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Passionstruck: The term is notability, not notoriety. And one establishes that a topic is notable by following the Wikipedia guidelines on the issue: notability guidelines for biographies and general notability guidelines. In general, we need evidence that Miles has been the subject of multiple significant instances of independent coverage in various media. The items about Miles' work at Lend Lease are the closest things to significant, independent coverage, but it is all coverage of the same thing: Miles achieved a better degree of network security for his employer. The rest of the sources you've provided us are just press releases indicating that Miles got hired into a particular position or that he is a speaker at a conference. So, closer, but not there yet, in my opinion. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not get it. How is what has been provided any different in notability than these examples: Jim Kwik Daniel H. Pink Ethan Kross. In fact, in almost all these cases, more has been provided. This person was recognized for prestigious awards, the book has awards, the podcast has awards. They have held as many if not more prestigious positions. Their podcast was just ranked #43 in the world yesterday and #2 health and wellness podcast globally ahead of Jay Shetty. They have interviewed celebrities and billionaires. What more does it take? Passionstruck (talk) 19:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, given that your username is the same as Miles' podcast, I think you can stop speaking about yourself in the third person. Second, I will agree that the Jim Kwik and Ethan Kross articles are questionable, but the presence of other bad articles on Wikipedia is not a valid argument to keep this bad article. Third: the popularity of your podcast or the notability of your podcast guests is not the issue here. The issue here is the availability of multiple significant (not just mentions-in-passing) independent (not just stuff that was written by you our your staff for insertion into program notes, etc.) coverage in reliable sources. So far, only one instance of such coverage (the coverage of your work at Lend Lease) has been provided. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:55, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are independent rankings of the podcast: https://chartable.com/charts/itunes/us-alternative-health-podcasts-d39bb3f1-0766-4074-9531-5379d6a9b267 https://toppodcast.com/apple-podcasts/top-alternative-health-podcasts/, 47.199.136.4 (talk) 21:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not writing any of the articles that I see here. All these were written by independent publishers. I did not even do my initial submission. I have no control over what Next Big Idea Club publishes, or CEO World, or Network World, or Computerworld, or Business Advisor or any of them. They are independent of me completely. Also, I have accomplished a ton more, it's just most Fortune 50 companies Like Dell and Lowe's don't let you talk about the work you are doing publicly. We were forbidden to do that at Lowe's and I led the compete rebuild from the worst security hack in retail history. The examples I gave are the tip of the ice burg. I have found hundreds of articles that have no where near the amount of notable back-up information that has been provided. 47.199.136.4 (talk) 21:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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