Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesko Friedrich

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The result was keep. Nominator has withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 19:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jesko Friedrich[edit]

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I cannot find sufficient indicia of notability re this bio. Even if fully supported by RS refs, the statements in his article appear to fall short of notability as well. Created by an SPA. Tagged for notability one year ago. Epeefleche (talk) 22:16, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:39, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:39, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:39, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. This really needs someone with a better knowledge of German television (and the German language) than I have but so far as I can tell, he seems to be one of the better-known German television satirists, with coverage to match. The Adolf Grimme Award which he and Dennis Kaupp won in 2009 (and which is already cited in the article) looks to me as if it may in itself be enough for ANYBIO. PWilkinson (talk) 00:55, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that assistance of someone fluent in German would be helpful. But I don't think that the indicated award satisfies ANYBIO, though I note that you think it "may" in itself be enough. And, I should point out, ANYBIO refers to a person winning an award, but not to a segment they appeared in winning an award.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 18:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve – The Google news link above lists several potential German-language sources. Also, Friedrich is a published author, which may confer to notabilty: (in German) Jesko Friedrich (2004). Phraseological Dictionary of the Middle High German. ISBN 3-484-31264-5. Rather than outright deletion, this topic appears to need the attention of editors fluent in German to help ascertain this topic's notability. Adding rescue tag to article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 02:06, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I posted a notice at Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board asking for assistance with this article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 02:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting that notice, seeking German-speaker input. I note that your rationale is based on the fact that he is a published author "may" confer notability, and that there are several "potential" German-language sources. I think, while accurate, those points are speculative, and don't rise to the level to meet our wp:v and wp:n criteria.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If that's a notable award, then the guy is notable. If any of the shows he created or played a significant part in, are notable, than so is he. [1] Does the German Wikipedia have articles for any of these things? Dream Focus 01:15, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I note that your rationale is speculative. It is based on "If" the award is notable, and "if" any of the shows are created are notable, and "if" he played a significant part. I think that while that is all accurate, it is wholly speculative. We don't have a showing, per wp:v and wp:n, that any of those are the case, and therefore have at this point no verifiable indicia of notability. At the same time, I agree that German-speaker input would be helpful. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 19:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relist comment Relisting per request on my talk page. The nominator would like some time for a German speaking editor to review the Google news sources. Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 19:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unless someone objects, I'll ping one German-speaking editor who I've turned to in the distant past when looking at German-language issues that were beyond my capabilities, and ask him if he has any thoughts on this page.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've now done so.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I found several Hamburger Abendblatt references, he was also nominated for the "Deutscher Comedypreis" and (not reliable, but hopefully I find these online) an IP added at the German WP several newspaper articles (FAZ = Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Frankfurter Rundschau, Stuttgarter Zeitung, taz) which are likely existent. mabdul 01:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- FAZ, and Frankfurter Rundschau articles about grimme (sadly not the ones the IP mentioned)
- and finally now the FR article the IP mentioned!
- TAZ one;
- Oh by the way: FR, FAZ and TAZ are one of the biggest newspapers of Germany. mabdul 02:10, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh for clarification: Jesko Friedrich and Dennis Kaupp won the award together for their created character "Johannes Schlüter" (played by Friedrich) (Kaupp played/plays the moderator) in the show Extra 3 (aired on the NDR/3 sat; both national wide gov tv). The nomination for the Comedypreis was for the show "Dennis & Jesko". Both shows/characters are self-written by Friedrich and Kaupp. mabdul 03:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 February 14. Snotbot t • c » 04:53, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't believe the dissertation demonstrates notability, but multiple reliable sources have covered his program and him, especially around the time he got the Grimme Award (he and Kaupp were jointly awarded for the segment, just to clarify). I can't say that the coverage on his life looks substantive, but the Grimme award is certainly notable and together with the coverage his work has received I believe this article can be kept. Hekerui (talk) 09:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The character he plays, Johannes Schlüter, is widely discussed in German media, as the already mentioned stories and others show. Maybe if you think Johannes Schlüter (the award-winning character) is more notable than Friedrich (the actor) you could move the article, but to me it seems more sensible to have it under the actor's name. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw. Based on the findings and comments of Hekerui.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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