Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jean-Claude Irvoas (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to 2005 French riots#Murders of Jean-Claude Irvoas and Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:18, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Claude Irvoas[edit]

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The previous nomination already mentioned that the subject is not notable and that Wikipedia is not a memorial.

A common reason for wanting to keep the article was that they were notable simply because they were a victom of the 2005 Paris suburb riots and that more information would be added as the media obtained and released more information, however this obviously did not happen. The only citation on there even returns a 404 error now.

Some people supported merging it with 2005 French riots, however 2005 French riots#Murders of Jean-Claude Irvoas and Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec is already more exhaustive than the article.

Article has been sitting in limbo for 13 years. Time to let it go? -- The Man Known as Rektroth (talk) 01:26, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. 94rain ^Talk 01:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. 94rain ^Talk 01:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Take a look at all the references available published over a span of several years by Le Figaro, or this Google News search. Nptability depends on the references that exist, not just on those referenced in the article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Soft Delete - There may not be a specific guideline on this situation, but if an article has been tagged as needing references for more than five/ten/thirteen years and no one tags it, it is time to delete it and allow another editor to create a properly sourced article. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:46, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2005 French riots#Murders of Jean-Claude Irvoas and Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec as there's nothing new to merge and as an WP:ATD. He's a name which seems to have staying power as pointed out by Eastmain but does not seem to have the sort of biographical detail or coverage we would expect of notable figures. A redirect serves our reader to where information can be found of interest. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I actually might withdraw the nomination and propose the page be redirected and marked with {{R with possibilities}}.-- The Man Known as Rektroth (talk) 15:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Page nominated for deletion frwiki : fr:Discussion:Jean-Claude Irvoas/Suppression in 2012. There are many news items but the thing is, they are focused on the assassination (and right-wing political websites using his case, which are not what I'd call "reliable sources"). However, some national newspapers also described his life before such as Le Monde, which may help the WP article grow a bit. --- Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 23:44, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Little sustained coverage to the incident, let alone the person. AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 03:31, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2005 French riots#Murders of Jean-Claude Irvoas and Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
RIP, but redirect to 2005 French riots#Murders of Jean-Claude Irvoas and Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:02, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect as above. Clearly sad but not individually notable. Stifle (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2005 French riots#Murders of Jean-Claude Irvoas and Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec per Barkeep49. -Zanhe (talk) 00:51, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.