Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jani Tewelde

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jani Tewelde[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Sources exist, but they are all trivial. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Cycling, and Africa. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Continental champion, therefore meets NCYCLING. Seacactus 13 (talk) 01:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Is a two-time gold medal winner of the African Continental champs thereby meeting NCYCLING and with expansion shows notability. Paulpat99 (talk) 08:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources added come close to meeting GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 15:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It Fails W:GNG PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 15:31, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant, it passes an SNG Jack4576 (talk) 01:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:ATHLETE: "Failing to meet the criteria in this guideline means that notability will need to be established in other ways (for example, the general notability guideline" Jack4576 (talk) 02:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~See below: meets criterion #5 of WP:NCYCLING Jack4576 (talk) 01:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
also arguably criterion #4: "also includes races like the World University Cycling Championship" Jack4576 (talk) 02:14, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As part of WP:NSPORTS, notability is not presumed under NCYCLING; it only tells us that significant coverage is likely to exist. Multiple sources must actually be found in order to establish notability. All of the current sources are brief mentions or names in lists, we don't even have the bare-minimum single SIGCOV source required by WP:SPORTBASIC. –dlthewave ☎ 02:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: because NCYCLING has been met, the correct approach is to keep on the presumption that significant coverage likely exists, even if those sources haven't yet actually been located. Jack4576 (talk) 03:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:SPORTSCRIT #5 and WP:GNG. If sources are found, ping me. BilledMammal (talk) 03:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and NCYCLING? Jack4576 (talk) 03:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is irrelevant if it fails SPORTCRIT. BilledMammal (talk) 04:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am still entitled to presume that sources likely exist, and maintain my keep vote, on the basis that SPORTSCRIT has been met Jack4576 (talk) 04:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What source are you referring to when you say that SPORTSCRIT has been met? BilledMammal (talk) 05:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This one: they won the team time trial at the African Championships. Jack4576 (talk) 07:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's an email, from someone who appears to be related to one of the cyclists (Yohannes Debesai, probably related to Frekalsi Debesai), with only a passing mention of Tewelde in a list of other cyclists (The Team Chronometer of Eritrea was well represented by Daniel Teklehaimanot, Jani Tewelde, Frekalsi Debesai and Natnael Berhane.) It probably isn't reliable, it probably isn't independent, and it certainly isn't significant coverage? BilledMammal (talk) 07:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not looking to this email as an example of actual significant coverage. I am looking at this email to reliably demonstrate that a fact establishing SPORTCRIT (the fact a victory was won) has been met.

If I can estasblish that fact, I am entitled to presume that SIGCOV sources on the subject are likely to exist that would satisfy GNG, even if I haven't actually seen those sources

Its probably not independent, but it does look authentic. In my judgement its more than likely reliable enough to establish the fact, although I accept reasonable minds may differ Jack4576 (talk) 08:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Victory isn't relevant to WP:SPORTCRIT #5, which instead places an absolute requirement for articles to have at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. If you don't have that one source then we cannot keep the article. BilledMammal (talk) 08:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good point I retract my vote. Jack4576 (talk) 08:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Although (1) its plausible this entry is of value to Eritrean, African, or Cyclist Wikipedians, (2) the claims contained in the article are supported by reliable sources, and (3) retaining this entry would assist in addressing WP's systematic deficiencies in coverage...

... the lack of coverage, both in-depth, and assessed collectively means that this entry doesn't meet SIGCOV requirements of GNG or an SNG. I have made WP:BEFORE searches yet none were found

Sadly, this is an instance where applying guidelines requires destruction of a knowledge source, irrespective of other considerations; including collateral damage to this website's wider mission and purpose Jack4576 (talk) 08:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per the lack of GNG-meeting sources. If sources are found later the article can be recreated. JoelleJay (talk) 16:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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