Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jan Graczyk (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While a few references were supplied, this discussion concluded that the sources failed to provide in-depth coverage of Graczyk. Additionally, the participants determined that said references did not meet the standard to be considered reliable sources to the point where the claims made within were still shrouded in doubt, resulting a firm consensus to delete. ✗plicit 13:16, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Graczyk[edit]

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Sculptor of unclear notability. It seems like this article was kept in 2007 because of the medals that he earned, but those seem to be routine. Additionally, there were arguments that he was "well-known" and "well-regarded" but those are not supported by references. Natg 19 (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. Natg 19 (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Leaning delete~~ it's hard to evaluate this article without any sources. The Polish version isn't helpful either. My guess is that there are some reliable Polish sources, if only due to the artist's interesting life story, but they may be pre-internet and hard to find. A search for his name plus "sculptor" in Polish didn't turn up much. Curiocurio (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Switch to delete. Agree with Possibly's comments below. Curiocurio (talk) 13:28, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Curiocurio, It would be nice if you and User:Possibly addressed the sources/awards I found and discussed in my comment below. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: the sources you found seem to be in Polish, which I do not read. But you have broken them down (thank you) in English to several trivial mentions for small galleries, a couple of mentions in books, and a prize that you are assuming in good faith is not a hoax. Great and diligent research, but it is not enough to support an article. Even if we consider the prize to be on the same level as the Nobel Prize, just for example, we still do not have enough sourcing to verify much of anything. --- Possibly (talk) 05:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly, That's a fair critique, thank you for addressing it. I still think that the prize makes him notable, but yes, sourcing for it is poor. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. The article was expanded (but not created) by the subject's relative (User:Michal Graczyk~plwiki); this also explains why big part of the article here and on en wiki are likely not verifiable (WP:OR...). While this fact is unreferenced, he received the Meritorious Activist of Culture Polish govt' award. Other than that, I see very little, a biography on a minor Polish gallery website: [1] (this also states he won the above award, but I am wary that this source may be based on his Wikipedia biography...). Digging through old refs, he had an exhibition in another minor gallery that came with a self-written note (first person) plus some CV-like info here: [2]. Here's a bio + cv on the pages of yet another minor gallery ([3]). I call them minor as they don't have entries on Polish Wikipedia (and seem to be out of business as their pages are dead now anyway). The latter (Leśna Galeria) was a Graczyk family gallery (and a minor local tourist attraction): [4]. That gallery probably still exists just their page broke; in 2019 it still contributed to an exhibition [5] which called Jan Graczyk "famous". For what it's worth, that description (and exhibition) is from a project (the 2019 Polish edition of the Long Night of Museums) by Ursus, Warsaw (a district of the Polish capital). A bit more digging gave me snippets in some books - not any modern biography (since they don't list the dates of his death), however. He was called a talented "amateur artist" and has at least a few sentences describing his life in this 1978 book ([6]), I can't confirm how in-depth the coverage is (snippet view). The fact that he won a "II Award" is m mentioned in a 1976 book here, snippet view prevents me from confirming what award that was. That's all I found, it's pretty borderline. In the end, I'd vote weak keep per the Meritorious Activist of Culture (AGF it is a true and not a hoax claim), since I think that an encyclopedia is a place for people who receive such awards. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:56, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article plainly contains no reliable sources. The article is on Jan Graczyk and was created by the user Michal Graczyk~enwiki. So we have a quite large article with no sources created by someone with a very similar name. Since a search returns no sources, the only option here is delete. We can't publish what appears to be a memorial page based on family recollection, with no published WP:RS that can be used to verify what the article says.--- Possibly (talk) 07:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Correspoding deletion discussion on pl wiki is here: pl:Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:03:24:Jan Graczyk. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:48, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet 01:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the article contains no reliable sources, which are an absolute must to justify an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:10, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Article was kept on pl wiki, as editors involved did not accept my criticism of [7] as possibly unreliable, and concluded that awards/exhibitons/coverage is enough for pl wiki standards. I still have some doubts about the reliability of sources, but I already changed my vote above a while ago to keep. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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