Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jabir Hasan Mohamed Al Qahtani

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The result was delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jabir Hasan Mohamed Al Qahtani[edit]

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On a living Guantanamo prisoner with no independent coverage at all. Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:BLP1E. The Citations used are primary sources (Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_84#Reliability_of_US_military_summary_reports). has 2 google book hits both mirror of wiki articles. A list Saudi detainees at Guantanamo Bay already exists. DBig Xray 23:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jabir Hasan Muhamed Al Qahtani, and please take steps to establish this as the second nomination. Anarchangel (talk) 12:08, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the infobox, page was moved by the creator Geo Swan after AfD 1, not sure if anything else needs to be done--DBig Xray 12:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it does. Name changes to the same article do not preclude the previous name's inclusion in the "AfDs for this article:" listing. I do not know how it should be done, or I would do it myself, but it needs to be done, and you should not have nominated this article if you did not know how. WP:BEFORE, WP:COMPETENCE. Anarchangel (talk) 08:36, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have already included the links for AfD1 as soon as it was brought to my notice, may I ask what else does his majesty wants from the slave ? --DBig Xray 10:28, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that is an offer I do not get every day. I will be a merciful monarch, and you do not have to do anything I say; just what every nominator of the second of two nominations is expected to do. But if you feel like it, you can retract the nomination, if you find your labors are too many. Or, since there is still not a link to each of the two AfDs for this article as there should be, too complicated. Perhaps Nick D will do it, as he finds it such a simple procedure. Anarchangel (talk) 06:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anarchangel, your comments are needlessly rude. If you don't know how to fix this common problem, you sure shouldn't go around abusing other editors and pointing to irrelevant guidelines. Nick-D (talk) 11:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requiring that other editors follow WP rules may or may not be in error, but it is never rude. WP:COMPETENCE requires that we not allow other editors' incompetence to mess up WP. DBigXray was required to list this properly, and to know that requirement and WP:BEFORE. As of the time of my writing, he continues to fail in that regard, and continues to act as though he can not even tell he has made mistakes. And if you cannot understand the relevance of those guidelines, and will not fix the mistakes yourself, then you are also sailing a little too close to the wind. Anarchangel (talk) 06:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I'm a little surprised I could not find any sources. I agree with nom that the article lacks reliable independent secondary sources needed to establish notability as required by WP:GNG and other sections of the guidelines. Poking through the various Google searches, I couldn't find a thing. Perhaps more will be written about this individual and his case that might satisfy the notability guidelines in the future but Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Msnicki (talk) 02:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Nick-D (talk) 01:55, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find any source for this. Also, it lacks WP:RS to establish WP:GNG. A person held for extrajudicial detention and it is not so notable. →TSU ^tp* 14:56, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails notability guidelines. I see no reason to keep. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^Talk ^Email 17:15, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources, from the article itself, none of which are even remotely PRIMARY, let alone unusable primary:
- Andy Worthington (2007-11-11). "Innocents and Foot Soldiers: The Stories of the 14 Saudis Just Released From Guantánamo". Archived from the original on 2010-02-02. Al-Wafa litters the story of 23-year old Jabir al-Qahtani, but none of the allegations come close to any evidence of militant activity. By the time of his last administrative review, in April 2006, all the authorities had managed to come up with were allegations that he traveled to Lahore in March 2001, "with his travel partly financed by the head of al-Wafa," that he worked in a warehouse in Lahore for six months, and that he then moved to a warehouse in Kabul...
- Andy Worthington. "The Guantánamo Files: Website Extras (11) – The Last of the Afghans (Part One) and Six "Ghost Prisoners"". Archived from the original on 2010-02-02. Unlike Zaban al-Shammari, Jabir al-Qahtani, who was released in November 2007, appears to have had no connections whatsoever with militancy or the training camp system, and was, instead, a humanitarian aid worker who traveled to Lahore in March 2001 to work for al-Wafa, the Saudi-based charity that was regarded by the US authorities as a front for terrorist activities....
- Raid Qusti (2007-11-11). "14 More Return From Guantanamo Camp". Arab News. Archived from the original on 2010-02-02. The father of detainee Jaber Al-Qahtani said he had received a call from an official in the Interior Ministry that his son would soon arrive from the US detention center. 'We are thankful to the Interior Ministry for all their efforts to bring the detainees home. And above all, we are thankful to Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah and Interior Minister Prince Naif,' said Hassan Al-Qahtani.

Anarchangel (talk) 06:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Andy's Blog entry 1 and Andy's Blog entry 2 are blogs from author who has written a book on the Guantanamo prisoners WP:COI ?. arab news does not cover the subject but only gives a passing reference by mentioning name in an article about the release of Prisoners. fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BLP1E --DBig Xray 07:15, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The sources above, while establishing that he exists and was detained, do not establish notability. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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