Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ismael Alhassane (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to Niger at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Judo. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ismael Alhassane[edit]

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Bringing this back to WP:AFD as Raymarcbadz keeps removing the redirect (as decided in the last round). The article clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. I would support a redirect as well, but obviously can't keep reverting Raymarcbadz. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Africa. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me. I've already added the content with citation sources. What seems to be your problem? Raymarcbadz (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want this PERMANENT? If you want a result as REDIRECT, then no one should edit the article ANYMORE and instead, the article SHOULD BE VIEWED AS SOURCE. Raymarcbadz (talk) 16:30, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Martial arts and Olympics. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV Nswix (talk) 17:04, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If the article fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, do you expect the users not to create a new one? You're heightening expectations on the content and source citation. Raymarcbadz (talk) 13:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is no point in creating a new one, if the person isn't notable, they're not notable. If it keeps getting created without merit, it can also be salted. Oaktree b (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't Ismael Alhassane an Olympian? If he seems to be not notable, then this applies to the other athletes without a significant coverage. Should WP:OLY impose rules and guidelines about the Olympians when creating articles? Raymarcbadz (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
First off, yes, the GNG applies to other athletes without significant coverage, and yes, they are likewise liable to be deleted.
As to whether WP:OLY has the power to impose their own notability guidelines, no. That was determined by a broad consensus on the Sports notability talk page, and cannot be overturned or overridden by a private WikiProject. (Not, to their credit, that they seem to be inclined to try.) Ravenswing 03:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nominator and Nswix. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
REDIRECT to Niger at the 2020 Summer Olympics / Judo, fail WP:NOLYMPICS. Lewolka (talk) 12:54, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why the articles fail WP:NOLYMPICS? Do you want an article to contain a thorough, significant biographical profile of an athlete and not relying on the significant coverage of their Olympic journey? Raymarcbadz (talk) 13:34, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, Alhassane was eliminated in the first round of the men’s -66kg competition after a 9 seconds bout. He finished #17. Maybe this can explain the little coverage of his Olympic journey.[1] Lewolka (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC) edited Lewolka (talk) 20:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, he was eliminated before the fourth minute of the five-minute round. Where did you get the info? Raymarcbadz (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
9 seconds from the golden score in the first round.[2] He finished #17, "Significant coverage is likely to exist for Athletes from any sport if they have won a medal" all his results are public.[3][4] Lewolka (talk) 05:39, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs to be refined. You cannot impose a delete or redirect because the efforts made by an author will turn into waste and endless exhaustion. Raymarcbadz (talk) 20:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Just restore the redirect back if the newly added information and sources don't provide significant coverage, which, in my eyes, they don't. Adamtt9 (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have produced over a thousand articles about Olympians and you impose the unnecessary rules and guidelines to delete or redirect an article. If the WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV applies to all of them, then about 60 to 70 percent of the articles produced by yours truly will be subject to deletion and redirect. All my efforts will turn into a waste of time because they are insignificant to the program. I will discuss this matter on WT:OLY because of these article restriction policies. Thank you! Raymarcbadz (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Policies change, it's nothing to be upset about. NBASE was also depreciated, so most baseball articles will likely not meet sourcing. This is an evolving wiki project. Oaktree b (talk) 14:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Raymarcbadz be careful not to WP:BLUDGEON the discussion. It's easy to fall into that trap - I've done it before myself! Lethweimaster (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the concept of WP:BLUDGEON. What is this all about? Raymarcbadz (talk) 20:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLUDGEON is clearly written and easily understandable. What part of it do you claim not to comprehend? Ravenswing 01:36, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Equipe article is about a different individual, and is trivial coverage. Nothing found for this individual, lack of any sort of coverage we can sue for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 13:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, the Equipe still mentions the athlete. Raymarcbadz (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per nomitator. Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. I have No objection to a consensus redirect.Lethweimaster (talk) 05:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are you trying to trust the nominator? Is Sportsfan 1234 the administrator of WP:OLY? Raymarcbadz (talk) 21:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It really doesn't matter if nominator is admin or not. DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 22:06, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above: I'm seeing nothing but routine sports coverage and trivial mentions that fail SIGCOV. Raymarcbadz also seems to be laboring under the outdated presumption that simply having been an Olympian is a presumptive notability pass; someone who repeatedly talks of the "thousand" Olympics articles he's created really ought to read WP:NOLYMPICS. Ravenswing 01:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why do we need to question the athlete's participation to the Games. If this has been a presumptive notability pass, will an author recreate an article once deleted? Perhaps impossible. We exhaust all our means to cite sources and establish content on the article. Why do we need to read and follow WP:NOLYMPICS? What's the purpose of this evolving project? Raymarcbadz (talk) 21:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(blinks HARD) You need to read and follow WP:NOLYMPICS because you are involved in article creation of Olympians, and that is the notability criterion governing such creations. Honestly, you are seriously bringing into question your competence to edit Wikipedia, which is a subject for debate at the current ANI thread on your actions. Ravenswing 02:48, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"winning a medal in a competition with fewer than four competitors or teams (i.e., when all participants receive a medal) is not an indicator of presumed notability, and other exceptions may be listed at sport specific guidelines." – Can someone explain this to the public in general terms or provide the appropriate example? This statement might be unfathomable for any user to read, especially for those hold liable for the article creation. Raymarcbadz (talk) 04:51, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The statement is straightforward and easy to understand for anyone with competent English comprehension. But anyway, you don't even need to understand NOLY because the far more important factor is establishing that a subject meets GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 17:13, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Niger at the 2020 Summer Olympics#Judo. The original AfD got it right. There is no evidence of significant independent coverage that meets WP:GNG, merely typical sports reporting. It's true he competed in the Olympics where he lost his first fight in the round of 64, but competing in the Olympics is no longer sufficient to show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 22:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.