Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Isabella High School

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The result was keep. Randykitty (talk) 17:15, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Isabella High School[edit]

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K-12 school. Two sources in the article are database reports with statistics. BEFORE showed only mill coverage (sports scores) in local papers. No SIGCOV with direct and indepth coverage. Does not meet GNG or ORGCRIT. No district page for redirect, no objection to redirect to community page if there is consensus // Timothy :: talk 09:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. // Timothy :: talk 09:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions. // Timothy :: talk 09:29, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:11, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete we need more substantial sourcing than this to show that an institution is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:44, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It looks as though there is some extremely trivial run of the mill mentions of this school in the news about games being canceled due to COVID and a couple of listings in school directory, but nothing that pass WP:NORG or otherwise make it notable. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Mims, Elizabeth (1932-10-27). "Isabella High School News". The Union-Banner. Archived from the original on 2021-03-15. Retrieved 2021-03-15 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article discusses the school's planned gymnasium, its football team, school debates, the school paper, and the play Miss Adventure.
2. "Isabella High School". The Union-Banner. 1932-11-07. Archived from the original on 2021-03-15. Retrieved 2021-03-15 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article discusses Isabella High School news such as work in the library to classify books and magazines, a sports game with Verbena, the home economics club, , and the play "Miss Adventure" the school put on.
3. "Isabella Lunchroom & Home-Economics Additions". The Union-Banner. 1960-08-04. Archived from the original on 2021-03-15. Retrieved 2021-03-15 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article discusses the renovations made to Isabella High School.
4. "Chilton School Wing Destroyed By Fire Saturday". Montgomery Advertiser. 1988-02-22. Archived from the original on 2021-03-15. Retrieved 2021-03-15 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes that Isabella High School is in rural Chilton County and serves 450 students from kindergarten through grade 12. A wing of the school that had been in use since at least 1936 was ravaged by a fire. 10 classrooms for kindergarten to fifth grade were damaged. An auditorium, library, science laboratory, and offices were ravaged.
5. Richards, Anthony (2019-04-23). "IHS facility named in honor of Curtis Smith". The Clanton Advertiser. Archived from the original on 2021-03-15. Retrieved 2021-03-15.
  The article notes, "Isabella High School christened its new all-purpose facility during a ceremony on April 22. The building will be named the Curtis V. Smith P.E. Facility in honor of the longtime Isabella resident and community leader." The article notes that Smith was a principal at Isabella High school. His tenure was 6.5 years. His wife was a 23-year first-grade teacher at the school.
6. "Our Opinion: Help for Isabella". 1988-02-29. Archived from the original on 2021-03-15. Retrieved 2021-03-15 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes that Isabella School experienced a fire that was "such a devastating blow to the community and the area". The fire ravaged ten classrooms, the science lab, the library, and the auditorium. The article notes that "the community has vowed to rebuild the school: more than 500 people attended a community meeting shortly after the fire and contributed more than $4,000 for supplies to get the school back in operation."
7. Rawls, Phillip (1977-01-16). "American Company Takes Live Theater to Schools". Montgomery Advertiser. Archived from the original on 2021-03-15. Retrieved 2021-03-15 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes, "But to 200 Isabella High School students who had just watched real, live theater, the American Company was the definition of magic and happiness. Isabella High School is an old-fashioned looking wooden school in rural Chilton County, and according to one teacher, live theater is about as rare there as snow."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Isabella High School to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 01:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The school passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy WP:ORG, general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, especially for universities.)
Since Isabella High School is a public school so is not a "commercial organization", it can satisfy either WP:ORG or WP:GNG or both which means that it does not need to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Audience. My evaluation of the sources is that it passes WP:GNG.
Cunard (talk) 01:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I'm sure you know, there was recently an RfC which determined that subject specific notability guidelines take precedent over WP:GNG. It doesn't matter if it's a private or public organization. It's still an organization. So in this case the subject specific notability guidelines that it needs to pass are WP:ORG. Period. Since that's clearly what the consensus about it is. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Isabella High School passes the subject-specific notability guideline Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools. Cunard (talk) 04:30, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Clearly the sources provided above are normal routine mill coverage, the type any school in the United States would receive; they don't demonstate notability, they show this is a normal average high school. None of it meets either ORGCRIT or GNG. If the above was considered enough to meet guidelines, then all high schools in the United States (and probably most schools in general) would automatically be notable. // Timothy :: talk 05:04, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools says a non-profit school is notable if it meets Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Neither guideline requires a school to be more than "a normal average high school". Neither guideline requires schools to have received coverage beyond "normal routine mill coverage, the type any school in the United States would receive". Cunard (talk) 05:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Go Phightins! 15:17, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keepas clearly sources provided by Cunard (talk · contribs) meets the bar for WP:SIGCOV. SunDawn (talk) 07:06, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus is not quite there yet. More evaluations of above sources by others would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 11:15, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cunard. As I said just hours ago outside of AfD, I'm not really a fan of the push to move the goalposts that schools which pass notability criteria fail by a tenuous definition of 'routine coverage'. Happy to take this level of coverage, which is enough to write an article of respectable size and interesting information -- exactly the thing Wikipedia notability standards are intended to gauge. Vaticidalprophet 23:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guidelines and standards change over time. That's just how this works. It's ridiculous, and actually moving the goal post, to think that everything in Wikipedia is or should be exactly how it was 15 years ago. Let alone to "vote" based on past, depreciated and no longer accepted standards. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:32, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Based on the sources the organisation does not pass WP:GNG. However, due to the mention of the town in the news clips, I'd suggest a redirect to Chilton County, Alabama. Vikram Vincent 13:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There's plenty of objectively substantial coverage. "Routine" is an objective criteria. Bearian (talk) 15:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Enough sourcing to establish notability, as with any American high school. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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