Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IEEE JMI

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 08:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IEEE JMI[edit]

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While the IEEE is certainly notable, individual branches are not. No other article on an individual branch of the IEEE exists, and no sources can be found to indicate that this particular branch is in any way more notable than any other branch. All references in the article are from the group's own website. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC) Following comment transcluded from talk page:[reply]

I respect your opinions and i do agree that IEEE is notable. But i do not agree that the individual branches are not notable. It is these Branches that together make up the IEEE. There are more than 80,000 student members all over the world.

No where in the article is it written that IEEE JMI is more notable than the other branches and if other branches do not have a page on Wikipedia then it does not imply that those branches are less notable then the one in question. Each and every Society of IEEE makes it to Wikipedia, then why not the individual Branches??

Another thing, there are hundreds of Branches of IEEE. IEEE cant have individual information of each and every branch on its site. At max what you can find is the name of the Branch and a link to its homepage! If you are looking for some additional information then please specify and i'll try my best to get those to you. Here are some more additional links which may help you, if you want to take a look at them.

[1] IEEE Delhi Section
[2] List of Branches of R-10 Region

Yours Sincerely

fzhaque

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Comment While each of the individual societies of the IEEE are likely notable because of the significant contributions those societies make in their individual fields, the individual branches are likely not notable because, as a branch, they do not make significant contributions in their field. I.e. there is no unique and notable contribution of the JMI student branch of the IEEE (or any other individual branch) that separates it from being "just another IEEE branch". Your argument that the IEEE can't have individual information on each and every branch on its site actually applies even more so to Wikipedia. IEEE could, if it chose to do so, have information on every registered branch. If IEEE chooses not to do so, that is their choice. Wikipedia should not be called on to provide web space for the purpose. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Mr. WikiDan61, I ask you, Are you a member of IEEE? Do you know what the IEEE Student Branches are doing?? Especially what the JMI branch is doing in Delhi Region and at the Asia-Pacific Level? Often many things are not available on the internet and you just cant ridicule these things because of lack of information in the virtual world. I guess you will have to come to New Delhi and see for yourself what all work is going on here......

IEEE does not provide the information on its site because it directly gives you the link of the official website of the Student Branch. And IEEE knows that the information available there is 100% correct. And if you want to know about the Notable Contributions which IEEE JMI has made and which makes it a little different from the rest of the Branches in Delhi or for that matter in India, I suggest you take time out of your busy schedule to take a look at the various reports and news items on the Official Website!! fzhaque --Fzhaque (talk) 17:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply No, I'm not a member of the IEEE. But as an engineer and former engineering student, I am aware of the work being done by various IEEE student brances. When I say that these organizations are not individually notable, this is not ridicule. I believe the work of the IEEE and its student branches serves a valuable role in the education of future engineers. And I'm sure the JMI branch is doing wonderful work there, as I'm sure the RPI, MIT, CalTech, University of Manchester, etc, branches are doing as well. However, none of these activities has been the subject of significant independent coverage, which is the litmus test of notability here at Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Dan! My name is Imran Ali and I am currently serving as the Branch Chairperson of IEEE JMI. Besides this I am also serving on the R10 SAC Committee which is directly responsible for most of the IEEE awards. I agree with you that you probably need more citation for the facts we have mentioned. I guess the IEEE MGA Vice Chair, Professor Mini Thomas mailing you the details of the awards won should be substantial enough for you? As an IEEE worker in a way I know the technical problems associated with the maintenance of IEEE award and competition stats and I won't be ashamed in stating that we do not do a good job at it. The society is approaching 400.000 members and is run by just 1000 employees. Maintenance of stats on the website as such is not the most high priority job that they are taking up atm. Maybe in due time they will. The underlying fact remains that IEEE JMI is a role model branch definitely in the R10 if not the entire world because of their impressive innovations. If I may go on to say, a lot of branches emulate what we do. I can get you quite a few testimonials to back this claim for highly reputed IEEE volunteers! Cheers! P.S: FYI please do not compare R10 SB activities to R1-R7 as IEEE themselves are amazed why these regions do not contribute to the IEEE's progress. Technical projects aside these branches are of no good to IEEE as per their internal findings. IEEE invests in student branches to promote leaders and find those individuals who will run the society tomorrow. Proud to say that R10 is one of the region and we have a huge say in it!

--Imran Ali —Preceding undated comment added 18:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC). — RadoPOD (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete I don't see significant coverage that is independent of the subject for this individual branch of IEEE. As an officer of another student branch of IEEE, I consider myself fairly familiar with the subject. Jujutacular ^T · C 20:15, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete student branches are usually not notable. At best Merge into IEEE student branches of Region 10. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Changes As demanded by Jujutacular i have added some more links which are independent of IEEE JMI Official Website. They are proof of the awards won by the website. Please have a look at those. This improves the notability i hope --Fzhaque (talk) 21:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The new links, which indicate that IEEE JMI has won awards within the IEEE student activities groups for its website design, do not indicate notability at large. I.e. no coverage of this award occurred outside the IEEE organization. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@70.29.210.242 What are you really trying to suggest? Merge it with "IEEE student branches of Region 10". Are you a moderator on Wikipedia? I do not think so, because no such page exists on Wikipedia that you have mentioned. Please check the correct name and let me know.--Fzhaque (talk) 12:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment as a user who has only a couple of days of existence on Wikipedia, what sort of authority do you claim to have? 70.29.210.242 (talk) 13:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Reply to 70.29.210.242 Merge it with an article which doesn't even exists on Wikipedia!! What an Idea!! What authority do you have to give your ideas which you are trying to support with wrong facts??? I may be a user who has only a couple of days of existence but if you want to remain as a user on Wikipedia, i advice you to check your facts before jumping into something. Take my advice. You wont regret!! Bye! Hopefully you will have a long career here!!!! --Fzhaque (talk) 17:39, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@WkiDan61 According to you, Wikipedia is not ready to accept any information from the any kind of IEEE Websites. Independent source! I think since these websites are not controlled by IEEE JMI, shoudn't they qualify as Secondary sources? And Wikipedia does approve of Secondary Sources! What you suggest is a little bit difficult but i am also sure that very soon I will be able to show you IEEE JMI on a newspaper clipping or on a Tertiary Source.--Fzhaque (talk) 12:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Student chapter of international organization at one university. Abductive (reasoning) 03:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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