Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hienadz Shutau

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. It's clear there is no consensus to delete this article. Whether this topic is best covered by an independent article (whether at this name or at a Death of name) or by merging to another article can proceed outside of AfD. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:03, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hienadz Shutau[edit]

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Not notable per WP:VICTIM and WP:BLP1E (recently deceased). Does not warrant a standalone article. --IWI (talk) 09:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions. --IWI (talk) 09:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:55, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 10:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The murder caused an unprecedented resonance. In addition, there are many publications in reputable media (Deutsche Welle and other). Vit; talk 11:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not enough to meet WP:VICTIM in my view. --IWI (talk) 14:36, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as his murder has galvanized the protests in Belarus, that are still unfolding. My understanding there is an UN investigation (re: human rights violation in Belarus) which will be referencing this murder. Keep for now at least. Kolma8 (talk) 18:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

or merge with 2020_Belarusian_presidential_election#Deaths. Kolma8 (talk) 18:13, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:Notability: GNews has 0 + 0 + 0 = zero results in any of the three spellings of the name. The two sources for the allegation that he was shot by police don't comply with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Wakari07 (talk) 19:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC) — Or probably Redirect to Gennady Shutov, which is the spelling used in the European Parliament resolution (demanding an investigation into 5 people's deaths, among which Shutov), has 55,900 Gsearch and 6 Gnews results, is mentioned in the article 2020 Belarusian protests and could be a merge of this article and a WP:NPOV-compliant version of Draft:Hienadz Shutau... Wakari07 (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG ([1][2][3][4], to name some). If there's doubt about the notability, move to "Death of Hienadz Shutau" per WP:1E. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:59, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NoonIcarus This argument doesn't address the spelling and bias issues. Your sources are WP:PARTISAN, to say the least. Separately, WP:UE, WP:MAIDEN and WP:COMMONNAME call to write the name as commonly used in English-language sources, of which I now agree there are a few. 22:09, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

All of those are unreliable sources that have a bias. In any case, this would not be enough to meet 1E, unless the article is changed to be about the person's death. --IWI (talk) 00:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Wakari07: This is a discussion about notability (whether or not the article should be kept), not about its neutrality, although the concerns about the sources are on point. The issues regarding about bias and spelling can be solved by further editing and by renaming the article, respectively. --NoonIcarus (talk) 09:25, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Casualties of the 2020 Belarusian protests", as a whole, is what would warrant a split from the 370 KB main article. As per WP:1E ("The general rule is to cover the event, not the person"), the death of Gennady Shutov is notable only for the (real or suspected casualties of the) protests. Wakari07 (talk) 21:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NoonIcarus: It is relevant to discuss the partiality of the sources when you are using them to demonstrate there has been enough coverage to deem the person notable. Even if we just look at GNG, it requires reliable, independent sources. In any case, WP:VICTIM is pretty clear about what should happen here. We can't have articles about every person who is a fatal victim of police brutality, or else there would be thousands. --IWI (talk) 05:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ImprovedWikiImprovment: If I'm not mistaken, the onus lies on the editors that support the deletion of the article to explain why the sources are unreliable, which hasn't been done so far, since the discussion was opened to delete the article and not to restore it. There apparently aren't related discussions on WP:RSP on Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty or the other outlets used in the article, and while it's likely that the issue has been discussed in other talk pages, but it'd be good to go into depth about this.

On the other hand, per WP:OTHERSTUFF the merits of the biography subjects should be evaluated on their own, but in any case what's notable about the subject is not whether or not he has been subject of police brutality, but both that it happened during an impotant episode of political unrest and the coverage that his death has received; that is the basis of WP:GNG. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because it simply isn’t relevant. The coverage is routine for a single event and does not demonstrate the person passes the criteria at WP:VICTIM or WP:1E. It doesn’t matter how biased the sources are as the coverage isn’t persistent anyway. --IWI (talk) 13:29, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I added a section titled External Links. It contains internationl news coverage and the European Parliament resolution on his murder, Bandarenka, and others. Unfortunately, due to the dual languages that are used in Belarus, his name varies in the news (Gennady Shutav, Hienadz Shutau, Hennadiy Shutov, etc.). GNews (Russian) - here (5 pages of coverage/ about 3,660 results). But, I think, the stub needs work. --Partizan Kuzya (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read point 1 of WP:FANSITE? Wakari07 (talk) 21:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. We need to wait until we can really see if reliable sources provide coverage to the subject. Routine coverage is not so relevant. Wareon (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - several sources presented here and in the article makes the article within WP:GNG. Though the article needs improvements like expansion c/e etc.BabbaQ (talk) 18:35, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with 2020_Belarusian_presidential_election#Deaths. This is clearly an issue of WP:BIO1E, but the information could be included there. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 00:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.