Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert Bockhorn

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I'm closing this as a keep due to the fact that when you separate the !votes, we have 3 editors who believe the article should be kept and provide (evidence based) policy reasoning behind that. There's one editor who !votes delete but doesn't leave a policy based reason behind it and never replied to the follow up questions from other editors wishing to engage in discussion. The remaining editor who !voted delete was countered by the three editors with strong policy based arguments that effectively cancelled out their reasoning behind the delete. Had the other delete !vote editor have used policy based reasoning this would have gone towards a no consensus, however, that's not the case tonight. I believe enough discussion has taken place here and we've asked enough of the community's time in discussing this. It seems as though the discussion is done as nobody has commented on this since April 5th since it was relisted last time. (non-admin closure) Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 08:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Bockhorn[edit]

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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG, as the player has never made an appearance in a fully professional league, has never made a senior international appearance, and has no solid independent notability. S.A. Julio (talk) 06:59, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG (just, as this is decent, but not enough) and WP:NFOOTBALL. Recreate if/when he makes his pro/international debut. Giant Snowman 08:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes GNG. Almost made an international debut (and covered extensively due to that). Also covered in the context of being on the Borussia Dortmund reserves, and possible trade talk to the English premier league. International coverage. These are all full-length pieces on Bockhorn: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]. Icewhiz (talk) 16:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Transfer rumours and national team squads are WP:ROUTINE coverage, at the moment it is WP:TOOSOON. S.A. Julio (talk) 00:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Far from routine - or rather if such coverage were routine we would delete a whole lot of footballers. This guy has more coverage than most lower league players that pass NFOOTY. Seems he is a signicant prospect for top-tier play.Icewhiz (talk) 04:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete How can you be a footballer with no football career? Trillfendi (talk) 20:31, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean? He's been playing for several years. SportingFlyer T·C 00:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As with Fleet in being (exerting influence without ever leaving port), football prospects may be notable even if they haven't played yet in a NFOOTY league. Icewhiz (talk) 15:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There's a ton of coverage on him. Much of it is recent. For instance, allafrica.com quoted on the 10th: We know that the name Herbert Bockhorn was widely keyed into a Google search box after a 31-strong Cranes provisional squad was revealed this past week. Too soon for NFOOTY, but an easy WP:GNG pass. SportingFlyer T·C 00:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be WP:ROUTINE coverage based off inclusion in a preliminary squad. S.A. Julio (talk) 00:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kawowo is one of the most important Ugandan football sources, PML Daily have profiled him, Swift Sports wrote an article just because he wasn't going to appear in the Tanzania game, [9], and the BBC mentioned his call-up specifically in an article (that was routine and not WP:SIGCOV, but shows importance.) None of this is routine coverage - it's all on him specifically. SportingFlyer T·C 00:42, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – 10 sources were posted here through 20 March, and since then BZ 22 March, 90min 22 March, Liga-Zwei 23 March. I'm not sure but I'm guessing the ICC games with the first team v. Liverpool, Man City and Benfica don't count for NFOOTY (SW), and although none of the sources individually is terribly in-depth, there are many examples of stories that really are focused on him (not the team), go beyond sheer routine coverage, and come from a variety of media sources in Germany and Uganda. For me, gets over the line as a GNG keep. Leviv ich 06:19, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – You're correct, the ICC games don't count towards WP:NFOOTY, as they were in preseason and therefore aren't considered "competitive games". 21.colinthompson (talk) 19:21, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I reviewed this article back on 3/18. I felt the coverage at that time was borderline, and even though they didn't pass WP:NFOOTY I felt that that requirement would also be met. But I'll leave it up to the FOOTY folks to hash this one out.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:26, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Post-relist comment – Searched again and found more new coverage of this player, albeit not quite SIGCOV. I don't think this Mar 22 Sports.de article has been posted here yet. I wouldn't call it "significant coverage" because it's not very long, but it does focus on Bockhorn and has a picture of him as the lead picture. According to this article from yesterday, Bockhorn has been named to the Uganda national team for this summer's Africa Cup of Nations, and I'm somewhat impressed that he's one of two players on the team that's mentioned in this article. He hasn't played in the game yet, but if he does, that would be one NFOOTY-qualifying game. A borderline case, but I still lean weak keep, or at least draftify. Leviv ich 16:07, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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