Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hanif Pashteen

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The result was redirect to Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hanif Pashteen[edit]

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO. The only web sources I could find are mostly focussed on this movement PTM. I cant find many reliable sources that are independent of this subject. The coverage that exists for this person consist mostly of routine coverage of the movement and a few articles regarding his arrest. But certainly "significant coverage" does not exist, which is a key requirement in meeting WP:GNG Kami2018 (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Kami2018 (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Kami2018 (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Kami2018 (talk) 21:16, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as it seems a well sourced article about a notable personality. Khestwol (talk) 22:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As a side note, as I have written before, the nom Kami2018, who is mass reporting Pashtun articles for deletion, has disruptively edited articles about Pashtuns in the past and was recently given "last warning" on his talk page twice for removing sourced content from various related articles. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 22:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, Khestwol. In response to your accusation of Kami2018 acting "disruptively" see here. The edits were all fully legitimate. -The Gnome (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Redirect; this is a well-written article that has numerous Urdu-language sources, and is notable enough to recieve coverage on English-language Pakistani news outlets, which I believe meets WP:BIO Terasaface (talk) 01:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Terasaface Do you mean to say that by barely having a name amongst dozen other people in only 2-3 articles helps it meet WP:BIO. This is what i read in the guidelines for such articles "A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists". Kami2018 (talk) 04:07, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kami2018, WP:BASIC states "if depth-of-coverage is not substantial, then multiple less-than-substantial independent sources may be needed to prove notability". It re-states that coverage "must be more than trivial and must be reliable"'". So, the question remains if the 11 sources referenced on the page are "less-than-substantial" mentions or "passing mentions". Thank you The Gnome for clarifying the coverage in the Urdu texts. Since I do not read that language I am having trouble completely writing off this person as not notable given the number of sources. Global protests about Pashteen's detention makes me believe this person is notable, however, perhaps this is WP:BLP1E or WP:TOOSOON. I recognize that I am not familiar enough with international new sources to verify the reliability or independence-of-subject of these sources! Also, this is perhaps my third AFD vote and I recognize I may not yet know all the nuanced guidelines that relate to this discussion. I still hold my vote of keep, although I would also support a Merge of this page into Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Thanks, Terasaface (talk) 14:13, 6 August 2020 (UTC)\[reply]

Greetings, Terasaface. Since the text here is mostly without sources about our subject but contains plenty of references to the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, a Redirect to that article would be preferable. Unsupported texts are not merged away elsewhere but deleted. -The Gnome (talk) 16:27, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that clarification, The Gnome, I will strike my vote and change to Redirect.

Delete since our subject, despite the gallant efforts by the creator and sole curator of the text to prove the contrary, evidently lacks the level of notability required by Wikipedia in terms of WP:NPOLITICIAN or even WP:GNG. The sources in Urdu are nothing to write home about: This report in Pashtun Express is about "anti-military protests" in general, without one mention of our subject; then we get some irrelevant item in a so-called "tribal news" website; next up, this report in the Pashtun Voice of America is about protests, where our subject is mentioned once as being "arrested"; and so on. The sources in English are equally unimpressive: from ARY News we learn that "Three PTM leaders were arrested over gun attack on police officials" without our subject mentioned even once; etc. Only a website called Dawat Media has an item, mirrored also here in a Sayhoon News Agency, about demands for the "immediate release of Hanif Pashteen." We could graciously invoke WP:TOOSOON. -The Gnome (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello The Gnome, thanks for your input, but I do not agree with your interpretations of the Urdu and Pashto references. Some of the articles that you refer to mostly revolve around the main personality, Hanif Pashteen. For example, the Pashto VOA article is literally titled [English translation:] "Bannu police raided the homes of two members of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement" (i.e. Hanif and another person). So in my opinion, it is not right to disregard this reference by saying that it "is about protests". The article says that Hanif was away from his home at the time of the raid so he was not arrested, but his innocent, younger cousins were arrested. As for ARY, even if they do not name him explicitly, they name him indirectly, because it was Hanif who was arrested in the first place during that raid. Thanks again, Khestwol (talk) 16:54, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per @The Gnome:.Ytpks896 (talk) 11:16, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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