Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grewal

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Replace content. with a disambiguation page (search results) Sandstein 18:21, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Grewal[edit]

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This article has stumbled along for years as a succession of unsourced stubs. Reliable sourcing doesn't appear findable. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 18:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 12:03, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 12:03, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ since notability is unclear and content is unverifiable. Also pinging @Sitush:, our in-house expert on the subject, to see if there are any available sources, or merge/redirect targets. Abecedare (talk) 04:37, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm doing some digging. James Tod does mention the Gherwal and it seems likely that this article is based on that (eg: the 36 royal races claims are often reliant upon him). The problem is, Tod is about as reliable as a chocolate teapot. Grewal is obviously a last name found among Indians and some people would argue that the article could be turned into a list of people who bear that name and who have a Wikipedia article, a disambig page of sorts. That approach assumes, of course, that we have some such articles - it is quite often found that contributors add last names to people without actually having any evidence that it is applicable. In fact, there is one example of that apparent original research in the article right now (Gurnam Singh has become Gurnam Singh Grewal). - Sitush (talk) 10:19, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the page but with a complete rewrite. Grewal is a common enough name and is gotra of the (Sikh) Jat people but there isn't much written about it as such. We can turn it into a list of people who bear the name using sources such as this and this, mentioning briefly that it is a gotra. We'll need explicitly to state that the appearance of someone's name in the list does not mean that they are of that gotra (WP:BLP with regard to religion and caste). There is at least one notable Grewal who doesn't have an article yet - J. S. Grewal - good writer who is often cited. NB: As suspected, Grewal as a Rajput community seems to be based on Gherwal but the only sources for that are people like Tod and Henry Miers Elliot, who are not reliable and don't even agree with each other. - Sitush (talk) 11:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, | Uncle Milty | talk | 12:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Turn into disambiguation page for people with that last name (with an additional link to Jat etc), as User:Sitush suggests. Whether this is done through deleting the current page or not is essentially immaterial. Abecedare (talk) 01:58, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 00:36, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Replace with a surname dab page, or as Dickens would say, "Please sir, I want some more Grewals." Clarityfiend (talk) 12:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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