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Do you guys think we should add Ravinder Grewal (Bhangra Singer), Gippy Grewal (Bhangra Singer), Gurmant Singh Grewal (Canadian politician), Nina Grewal (Canadian politician), Alexi S. Grewal (Olympic gold medalist and former professional road racing cyclist from the United States) and Simi Grewal (former Bollywood Actress)Nirmal Singh Grewal (Ashian silver medalist and former hammer thrower) to the Famous Grewal list as well?

  • Only if they have articles on Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 18:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here follows the "Grewals Today" section: "Most of the Grewals are settled in the district of Ludhiana in Punjab in India. Being wealthy, they are much ahead of others in the spheres of education, business and agriculture. Today, many Grewals can be found abroad, mainly in countries such as Canada, Australia,USA, United Kingdom , New Zealand, Germany, Hong Kong and Africa."

As a fellow Sikh, I find this wording arrogant. What exactly is meant by "much ahead?" Ahead in what? Wealth? Education? I didn't realize there was a race among Jats for wealth and education or whatever? Anyway - most people would agree that this section could be left out or reworded.

  • You are quite right, and I have removed some of that POV praise. The section, like the entire article, is unverified anyway, and you would have been perfectly in your right if you would have removed it. Drmies (talk) 18:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is something not quite right in the history listed here -- How can Grewals be descendants of Chandel Rajputs of Himachal. The Chandel Rajput tribes migrated North Wards from Bundelkhand in Madhya Predesh. They first ventured into Punjab ie the areas south of Ludhiana and some of the tribes settled here. The others moved up into the hills of Himachal and perhaps they were the one who established the kingdoms of Nalagarh Nahan & Bilaspur.--hummmm...61.0.243.13 (talk) 07:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)JPS[reply]

Grewals are the most know in Germany in world war 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.209.210 (talk) 03:39, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is completely unnecessary to name every village in the main text. I do believe the villages in and around Ludhiana needs to be mentioned because they are the original Grewal villages. But rest of the story can be completed by stating that as the families grew bigger and properties weresubdivided...will complete my thoughts later...battery low on my laptop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.78.110.38 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 6 February 2011

Notability?[edit]

Moved for discussion:

  • Samrat Singh Grewal - Former Captain Canada U16 National Team

- appears to be a Canadian school teacher. Notability? Gordonofcartoon (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Iqbal S. Grewal - Prominent Scientist and Pharma executive

Sourcing[edit]

By dint of consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grewal, this article was turned into a surname disambiguation page. I have just reverted an attempt to turn it back into an article about the gotra, using unreliable sources. I have no objection to re-creating an article about the gotra provided that it complies with our policies relating to such matters as the aforesaid reliability of sources, the verifiability of content generally and copyright concerns. - Sitush (talk) 09:50, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Please only make meaningful contributions to this page. Please take your personal agenda elsewhere. History is recorded based on historical accounts and historian documentation. Please only contribute to topics you have some basic understanding of. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aksevin7 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:RS and WP:SOCK. - Sitush (talk) 02:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the whole page should be deleted. If there is an issue with a particular sentence or paragraph, please point that out, and that can be altered. Contributors such as Sitush should be banned. Contributors must have a neutral point of view, lacking bias. Administrators please allow the article to me amended to meet the guidelines, rather than deleting the entire article.Aksevin7 (talk) 15:27, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The following are sources used by you in the edit that has been reverted several times, and which would usually be considered unreliable:

  • CH1 Origin of Grewals - Col. Prem Singh Grewal
  • Singh, Visakha. Malwa Sikh Ithas, Vol. 1-3. Amritsar, India: Chattar Singh and Jiwan Singh, 1998.
  • Qanungo, Kalika Ranjan. History of the Jats. Delhi, India: Originals, 2003.
  • B.S. Dhillon History of the Jats: With Reference to Sikhs, Scythians, Alans, Sarmatians, Goths, and Jutes. Beta Publishers. 1994
  • Abbas, S. Common Origins of Croats, Serbs, Jats. Jat Jyoti, Vol.4 no.11 (Nov. 2003) p.13-18.
  • B.S. Nijjar Origins and History of Jats and Other Allied Nomadic Tribes of India: 900 B.C. to 1947 A.D. Atlantic Publishers. 2008
  • Sara 1978: "The Scythian Origin of the Jat-Sikh", I.Sara, The Sikh Review, 1978, pp. 15-27 (pt.1), pp. 214-233 (pt.2)
  • Toynbee 1934: "A Study of History," by A. Toynbee, Vol. 2., Oxford University Press, London, 1939, 1st pubd in 1934
  • Robert Vane Russell, The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India: pt. II. Descriptive, Page 412
  • Gazetteer of the Simla Hill States 1910. Punjab States Gazetteeer Volume VIII. Indus Publishing Company. New Dehli. 1910.
  • History of the PUNJAB Hill States,Volume 1, J. Hutchinson and J.Ph. Vogel, P - 62, 1933, by Superintendent, Government Printing, Lahore, Punjab
  • Hutchinson, J. & J. PH Vogel (1933). History of the Panjab Hill States, Vol. II. 1st edition: Govt. Printing, Pujab, Lahore, 1933. Reprint 2000. Department of Language and Culture, Himachal Pradesh. Chapter XIII Bilaspur State, pp. 494–518.
  • Hutchinson, J. & J. PH Vogel (1933). History of the Panjab Hill States, Vol. II. 1st edition: Govt. Printing, Pujab, Lahore, 1933. Reprint 2000. Department of Language and Culture, Himachal Pradesh. Chapter XIII Bilaspur State, pp. 494–518.
  • Tolbort, W. The District of Ludhiana. journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, Calcutta. Part I, No. II, 1869, pp. 93-104.
  • Tolbort, W. The District of Ludhiana. journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, Calcutta. Part I, No. II, 1869, pp. 93-104.
  • Short History of 2/11th Sikh Regiment (Ludhiana Sikhs, 1846-1927. MS G.S.
  • Shirley, Capt. S.R. History of 54th Sikhs, F. F. 4th Sikhs, Punjab Field Force, 184(-1914. Pub. the Regiment. 1915.

Singh, Parm Bakhshish, and R. K. Ghai. Martyrs of the Punjab. Patiala, India: Publications Bureau, Punjabi University, 1997.

  • Ghulam Bhikh Jalandhari. Tawarikh-i-Wakari. MS. 1882 A. D. Vol. 1. pp.564, ALP/421 (4395).
  • Hill Major John. History of the 15th Ludhiana Sikhs. 1910. Hill, Samuel Charles. Catalogue of the Home Miscellaneous series of the India Office records. India Office at His Majesty’s Stationery Office, London. 1927.

The few that are not listed here may also either not be reliable or perhaps even relevant (eg: most of the stuff about the Chandels is simply not relevant to this article.) Some of the statements were also not supported by the sources - tacking a load of citations on to the end of a statement doesn't mean a thing if the sources do not in fact corroborate what is said. - Sitush (talk) 17:53, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The majority of these sources listed are published in historical manuscripts or by large state universities and institutions. The information has been supported by multiple historians. Most of the historical data we have in general is from such sources.
I agree with you that certain sections can be revised, such as the history of the Chandels the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th paragraph in "History and Origins." The 10th paragraph in "History and Origins" can be removed altogether.
The 1st, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th paragraphs in "History and Origins" have adequate support though.
The characteristic and customs section has support from the sources listed, but I removed the Settlement Report by Gordan Walker, as it was somewhat redundant.
Below is my revision of the article. Point out which sentence is inappropriate or not supported. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aksevin7 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]


I am not even reading your revision in full. You have ignored the obvious: most of the sources that you list are not reliable. Forget the point that they are historical because that is in fact a big part of the problem: time and again, for example, the consensus has been that we do not use Raj material and we do not use sources affiliated to the caste itself. I will just select one example: you cite something that was poorly researched and published in 1882 in support of a statement of strength in the Ludhiana area around 130 years years later. It is rubbish, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 00:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

arbitrary break inserted January 2016[edit]

==Introduction==

Grewal/Garewal is a Jatt clan found in Punjab, India, Haryana and Punjab, Pakistan. Grewals played an important historical role in Sikh history, and adopted Sikhism in 1631 AD.[1][2][3]

Grewals in Indian Mining Industry, the 1st Grewal to join Indian School of Mines, Dhanbad 1st batch was S. Sarwan Singh Grewal in 1926, who went on to become the 1st Indian, Chief Inspector of Mines in 1954 till 1964. S Balbir Singh Grewal joined Indian School of Mines in 1940, Pickering Medalist standing 1st All 4 years, 1st Indian M.Tech in Mining from Sheffield University U.K. in 1947, 1st Indian Acting Chief Mining Engineer,in 1953 of Shaw Wallace & Company in Madhya Pradesh. Left when Coal Mines were Nationalised in 1971. He then Ran his Farm of 50 Acres in Village Hawas, Ludhiana for more than 30 years, before he expired in 2008.

Grewal's practically ran the Mining Industry Coal/Iron Ore for more than 25 years till Nationalisation with Mr Jagjit Singh Grewal,1950 Graduate, Indian School of Mines,as General Manager Ranigunj Coal Association, Dhanbad,was the most famous & known Mining Engineer.

There were 9 more Grewal's closely related to each, who have Graduated from Indian School of Mines till 1971, with P.S. Grewal being the last & 2nd Generation Mining Engineer.

Women's emancipation came early to the Grewals: a girl's high School was established in Gujjarwal and Qila Raipur nearly a hundred years ago. Grewals/Garewals were also the first among the Jat sikh clans to encourage their daughters to seek higher education and seek outside employment as opposed to traditional role of Indian women. Education became the passport for the Grewals to travel and obtain positions across the globe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.225.205.243 (talk) 09:03, 30 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grewals have gained two gold medals at the Olympic Games: in Berlin, at the 1936 Summer Olympics, Garewal Singh won gold with the men's hockey team; in Los Angeles, at the 1984 Summer Olympics, Alexi Grewal won gold in the individual road race, becoming the first American man to win an Olympic gold medal in cycling.

==History and Origins==

Grewals, alongside other Jat clans, are descendents of Scythian tribes who migrated from Central Asia into Northern India from the middle of the 2nd century BC to the 4th century AD, often referred to as the Indo-Scythian invasion.[4][5][6][7]

In Indian Punjab, Grewals primarily belong to the Malwa region. There are a total of 52 purely Grewal villages (meaning everyone in the village is Grewal) in Ludhiana district alone. The main villages of Grewals are located in the Ludhiana district in and around Ludhiana City, such as Threeke, Dolon Kalan, Noorwal, Ratan, Lalton, Kalan, Gujjarawal, Phallewal, Pakhowal, Qila Raipur, Sarabha, Baddowal, Sunet, Daad, Narangwal and Kadian. Grewals started living in these villages around 1469 AD.[8][3]

The sixth Guru of Sikhs Guru Hargobind visited Gujjarwal in 1631 AD. The Grewals converted to Sikhism at this time.[1][9]

The Grewal villages being south of the Sutlej River, came under British rule early even as Maharaja Ranjit Singh consolidated the Sikh Empire all the way to Kabul.[10] They joined the British-Indian mercenary army and fought in wars from Mesopotamia to Germany.[11] One of the very first Sikh Regiments in the British army that was created after the mutiny, bore the name Ludhiana Sikhs, other one being Ferozepur Sikhs.[12]

Grewals also contributed to the fight for freedom of India. Kartar Singh Sarabha from Sarabha village lead the fight and was accepted as a guru by the freedom fighter Bhagat Singh.[13][14]


==Characteristics and Customs==

As stated in Syed Ghulam Bhik Jalandhari's book of 1882, Grewals are powerful in the district Ludhiana and surrounding areas and are considered a prestigious, agriculturist and educated clan. Many important and famous people, including many poets were of the Grewal clan. Generally these people are cultured with high living standards. Many are officers, and their behavior is superior to other Jats. They are famous for keeping their promises and they consider pros and cons of each undertaking, before doing it. They are more inclined towards Army service, are of good character, and benefit for themselves.[15]

The ladies of Grewal clan observe “purdah”, and unlike the other Jat women, neither carry food for their men folk in the fields nor they work in the fields.[15]

Aksevin7 (talk) 22:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b J.S. Grewal. The Sikhs of the Punjab. New Delhi, India: Cambridge University Press, 2002.
  2. ^ Singh, Visakha. Malwa Sikh Ithas, Vol. 1-3. Amritsar, India: Chattar Singh and Jiwan Singh, 1998.
  3. ^ a b Qanungo, Kalika Ranjan. History of the Jats. Delhi, India: Originals, 2003.
  4. ^ Abbas, S. Common Origins of Croats, Serbs, Jats. Jat Jyoti, Vol.4 no.11 (Nov. 2003) p.13-18.
  5. ^ Sara 1978: "The Scythian Origin of the Jat-Sikh", I.Sara, The Sikh Review, 1978, pp. 15-27 (pt.1), pp. 214-233 (pt.2)
  6. ^ Toynbee 1934: "A Study of History," by A. Toynbee, Vol. 2., Oxford University Press, London, 1939, 1st pubd in 1934
  7. ^ Shrava 1981: "The Sakas in India", S.Shrava, Pranava Prakashan, New Delhi 1981.
  8. ^ Tolbort, W. The District of Ludhiana. journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, Calcutta. Part I, No. II, 1869, pp. 93-104.
  9. ^ Gupta, Hari Ram. History of The Sikhs, Vol 1-5. New Delhi, India: Munshiram Manoharlal, 2000.
  10. ^ Grewal, J. S. (1990). "Chapter 6: The Sikh empire (1799–1849)". The Sikh empire (1799–1849). The New Cambridge History of India. The Sikhs of the Punjab. Cambridge University Press.
  11. ^ Tolbort, W. The District of Ludhiana. journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, Calcutta. Part I, No. II, 1869, pp. 93-104.
  12. ^ Short History of 2/11th Sikh Regiment (Ludhiana Sikhs, 1846-1927. MS G.S.
  13. ^ Shirley, Capt. S.R. History of 54th Sikhs, F. F. 4th Sikhs, Punjab Field Force, 184(-1914. Pub. the Regiment. 1915.
  14. ^ Singh, Parm Bakhshish, and R. K. Ghai. Martyrs of the Punjab. Patiala, India: Publications Bureau, Punjabi University, 1997.
  15. ^ a b Ghulam Bhikh Jalandhari. Tawarikh-i-Wakari. MS. 1882 A. D. Vol. 1. pp.564, ALP/421 (4395).

Protected edit request January 2016[edit]

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2016[edit]

As per the Grewal Itihas Committee, the Grewals originated from the Chandel Rajputs of Chendeli in Himachal Pradesh. Source: http://grewaljatts.blogspot.ca/ Vikram8083 (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Thanks for your request. Unfortunately, blogs do not count as reliable sources. --regentspark (comment) 14:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2016[edit]

Grewals are the descendents of chandel Rajputs of himachal Pradesh. source:https://en-gb.facebook.com/jayykang/posts/10150613602351873 Vikram8083 (talk) 00:55, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Thanks for your request. Unfortunately, Facebook does not count as a reliable source. --regentspark (comment) 14:53, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2016[edit]

39.36.182.145 (talk) 07:40, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: No indication of notability; per WP:DABRED, each entry must have at least one blue link. nyuszika7h (talk) 09:56, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grewal[edit]

Dr/Maj Deepinder Singh Grewal US Airforce dentist at Beale AFB Deepinder Grewal (talk) 23:21, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No indication of notability. --regentspark (comment) 01:45, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2020[edit]

Add gurnam Singh to the important people list. Cloakingwolf (talk) 23:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 00:15, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recommend adding Sir Shamsher Singh Grewal under Notable people[edit]

I recommend adding Sardar Bahadur Sir Shamsher Singh Grewal, under the Notable People list.

Details: Sardar Bahadur Sir Shamsher Singh Grewal K.C.I.E (8th January, 1860- 8th March, 1920) was the Chief Minister of Jind State. The First Grewal to be knighted by the British King George V in 1917.

Citations and Notability: Indian States: A Biographical, Historical, and Administrative Survey, by by J. W. Bond, Arnold Wright (Page418 and 420) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Indian_Empire https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28559/page/9363/data.pdf Hurley88 (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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