Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden Knights-Kings rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. I see more support for straight Deletion than for Merge or Draftify. I'm not adverse to draftifying an article deleted at an AFD but there has to be a sign that an editor is going to put time into the article and this isn't just a way of preserving an article for six months until its time expires. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:34, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Knights-Kings rivalry[edit]

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Article does not meet WP:GNG based on the below source analysis table. Article reads as WP:FANCRUFT and the only sources available on a WP:BEFORE search are routine mentions or fan blogs. As a Kings fan, I don't like the Golden Knights, and maybe a rivalry is there, but given the lack of reliable sources and other animosity, it doesn't deserve an entire article. Article also seems hastily made. Conyo14 (talk) 08:37, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source analysis by User:Conyo14

Source assessment by User:Conyo14
Series records : Los Angeles Kings(H) against Vegas Golden Knights(A)	WP:ROUTINE list of head-to-head records. N
Vegas Golden Knights VS Los Angeles Kings Rivalry Gaining Steam	Blog that does specify any animosity between the two teams. In fact it only says "All in all, the Vegas Golden Knights playing the Los Angeles Kings in round one of the playoffs would solidify the rivalry." The source does not actually specify a current rivalry, but rather the possibility. N
VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS @ Florida Panthers FLORIDA PANTHERS	A livestream of Game 5 of the 2023 Stanley Cup Finals. This is an illegal cast of the game and is also a video source, WP:DONTUSETERTIARY. N
LA Kings: The Vegas Golden Knights are now the LA Kings biggest rival	Same publisher as the second source above, and it doesn't mention any animosity or build up to a legitimate rivalry. N
I Guess We’re Officially Rivals Now, Vegas	Someone's personal blog again mentioning nothing substantial. N
Golden Knights, LA Kings set to renew budding rivalry	Routine coverage of a playoff series preview between the two teams. Source only tells us the potential of a rivalry. N
SERIES PREVIEW: LA Kings, Vegas Golden Knights Set for Royal Rumble	Routine coverage of a playoff series preview between the two teams. Source only tells us the potential of a rivalry. N
Golden Knights hold off LA Kings in round one of Pacific rivalry	This is a pretty good source, but it's also routine coverage of a series review. ?
Golden Knights get the best of the Kings in new division rivalry	This is a published source by a reliable author (Helene Elliott). But it's also a routine coverage of the first regular season game between the two teams. ?
Vegas Golden Knights ready for the rivals during the 2021-22 season	Local coverage of specific divisional matchups. This is more recent than the other sources mentioned and I'd say it's good. Y
Quick’s Starting Gig in Vegas Adds to Heated Rivalry with LA Kings	Blog source. Routine coverage of players getting traded to each other. N
Weekend Takeaways: Has Quick's trade ignited a Kings-Knights rivalry?	This source doesn't even bother to consider the teams having a rivalry prior to a player trade. Also routine coverage of a player getting traded. N
Elliott: Kings 'a little scared of the fire' Jonathan Quick will bring to Vegas rivalry	More routine coverage of a player trade. N
Panthers or Golden Knights? A Stanley Cup Final rooting guide for 30 other fan bases	Mentions nothing of a rivalry in the Los Angeles section. N

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. Conyo14 (talk) 08:37, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: California and Nevada. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete or Draftify. I agree with Conyo’s source analysis that only the KTNV source is GNG appropriate. However some sources describe the potential of a rivalry. Considering these sources, the teams geographic proximity, and the fact the Knights are only six years old and the teams have limited postseason history, a move to draft space may be a good WP:ATD. [Also noting that I oppose a redirect/merge to National Hockey League rivalries, since that list should only rivalries with their own article.] Frank Anchor 16:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC) _{[note: bracketed text added at posted time. Frank Anchor 18:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)]}[reply]
Draftify I agree that it could be a draft. However, we have a main page for this: National Hockey League rivalries. It is mentioned there and I think it's worth having there, just not on its own. Conyo14 (talk) 17:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The bar for rivalry articles is set very high, largely because fans and bored sportwriters are altogether too ready to claim a bitter "rivalry" based on there being a recently strongly contested playoff series. We're talking Celtics-Lakers/Man City-ManU/Harvard-Yale level, with many decades and hundreds of games involved. This "rivalry" -- between nothing more heated than a couple of divisional opponents, over a relative handful of games -- does not come remotely close to meeting that standard. Check back fifty years from now. Ravenswing 01:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Conyo & source analysis. As Ravenswing said, it will likely take years for the rivalry to reach a requisite level of notability. I considered suggesting a merge to National Hockey League rivalries, but as far as I can tell, this article doesn't contain much more information than that one does (it's just wordier). Wracking ^talk! 22:11, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's already there, and what's there is fine. What's here is not enough. Conyo14 (talk) 22:52, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or merge to National Hockey League rivalries as sufficient ATDs. DrewieStewie (talk) 14:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of an actual notable rivalry here, at least not in any greater capacity than between any two random teams in the same division. Based on the provided source analysis, most of this is WP:ROUTINE coverage, and fails to actually showcase a notable rivalry. In agreeance with Ravenswing, check back in a decade or two at least. Possibly support a merge into National Hockey League rivalries, zero support for draftification, this rivalry won't be notable on its own anytime soon. IceBergYYC (talk) 09:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - A rivalry does not need to be as storied as Harvard-Yale or ManU-ManCity to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. But it does need to meet GNG, which requires multiple independent reliable sources discussing something particular as a rivalry - not just the two teams being in the same division (currently there are over 100 division pairings, not even counting historic division pairings) or playing a game or even a playoff series against each other. And this does not meet that. Maybe someday it will but not now. Rlendog (talk) 14:52, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.