Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GCW Bloodsport

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Seeing as StaticVapor's pertinent arguments have been uncontested (regarding Moab12's delete !vote, I am not certain we can categorically assume that if a page does not exist a child topic is not notable). If folks want to move this to Game Changer Wrestling or make that page, they can do so at editorial discretion and discussion on the talk page. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GCW Bloodsport[edit]

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No notable pro wrestling event, doesn't meet the criteria. The article has only two sources with the results, don't stablish notability HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Additional sources have been added to establish and improve notability. This is a yearly annual event with a unique rule set that does not take place in any other pro wrestling company. It should not be considered for deletion because of this. This event has a large following, and being able to have a page showing the history of this event and past results is extremely beneficial. Ty.54 (talk) 13:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - All sources I can find appear to be WP:ROUTINE - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 14:27, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The events have been covered in reliable sources. This includes [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], and [8]. Meets WP: GNG. StaticVapor message me! 23:50, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this article up for deletion? How is this page any different than other pages covering indy annual events such as ROH Tag Wars Tournament, Jim Crockett Cup, Battle of Los Angeles, and King of Trios. These pages are all acceptable.. so why wouldn't this one be?2601:248:600:7D0C:9893:7673:A8B1:3CFC (talk) 01:14, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete We don't even have an article on Game Changer Wrestling, so I am not convinced any event they run is notable. Moab12 (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Out of the 2 events that have taken place so far, there are a total of 19 different individuals that have their own articles. These involved performers consist of current WWE NXT UK Champion WALTER, top WWE NXT talent Matt Riddle and Danny Burch, Impact Wrestling talent in Killer Kross and Braxton Sutter, ROH talent in Jonathan Gresham and Masada, along with former NJPW champion Minoru Suzuki and current MLW champion Tom Lawlor. Not to mention THREE former UFC Heavyweight champions in Josh Barnett, Dan Severn, and Frank Mir, and past Strikeforce middleweight contender Phil Baroni. How can you even make the argument that this event was not "notable" with this type of star power on the event? Ty.54 (talk) 13:43, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not WP:INHERITED. Anyone can book these guys who are willing to pay their booking fee. There must be sources to support the event itself, not the people who appeared in it. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 14:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Taking that argument to its logical conclusion would mean that every house show run by WWE or other major promotions are notable, since they all have that type of "star power" on the events.

My point remains that at present there is not even any indication the promotion itself is notable, which in my mind would be essential before attempting to demonstrate any individual events they promote are notable. Moab12 (talk) 14:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While in general that is the case, but that might not always be. For example, All In was not promoted by any promotion, so by default under that definition it could not be notable. Or Chris Candido Memorial Show is a notable event, it has enough independent coverage, however there is no USA Xtreme Wrestling page. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 14:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to Moab12; the WWE house shows are not notable because they are routine, as are their weekly broadcasts. However their annual events and PPV's (e.g. SummerSlam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble) are considered notable. BloodSport, which is both an annual show and a PPV should be treated the same (I use the term PPV as a broadcast that you must pay for). Also, as mentioned by StaticVapor, there are more than several sources to support the event itself. And finally, your point that GCW itself does not have a page making Bloodsport not notable is incorrect citing the examples given by User:Galatz. Ty.54 (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Moab12: See WP:N. Just because the promotion does not have an article (hardly anyone edits Wikipedida in a positive way anymore, so no one to create the article), does not mean the promotion is not notable. It is always good to do a WP:BEFORE, before nominating or commentating on an AfD. I notice a severe lacking of that in this discussion. As I detailed in my original post, non-routine coverage exists in reliable third party sources. StaticVapor message me! 17:27, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep based on the above comments. 2601:248:600:7D0C:31B9:F2DB:CFE9:66D5 (talk) 00:37, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As has been stated above the article discusses an event that is in a similar vein as other indie super shows and has featured many notable performers. If the event continues to be held it will no doubt grow in notability, if it ceases in the future then perhaps we can revisit this discussion. For now I see no reason to remove it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walden12345 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:07, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It appears to me, that this subject has been covered enough in reliable sources to meet notability requirements. 2600:6C50:727F:F69B:65D7:F004:51E0:8910 (talk) 09:30, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd recommend merging with Game Changer Wrestling if that was an option but it's not. I'll side with weak keep I guess.LM2000 (talk) 01:51, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Game Changer Wrestling and retain as a subsection. bd2412 T 22:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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