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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 18:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Franz Pagot[edit]

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Although this has been around for years , the only refs confirms that he exists and is a cinematographer. Nothing suggests any notability. Fails WP:GNG  Velella  Velella Talk   22:35, 22 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Franz Pagot is on IMDB and he has worked on famous films. Checked with AIC, GBCT, BKSTS and BAFTA and he is a member. Notability is also shown by several articles easy to find just doing a quick google search on his name such as here this article on foreign press, or this one therefore he meets WP:GNG— 89.240.106.254 (talk • The preceding unsigned comment was added at 22:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC). • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.[reply]
  • Keep I was told of this page and just want to add that Franz Pagot is a well known figure in the film industry.--Admanente (talk) 11:57, 24 July 2015 (UTC)— Admanente (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Keep I have worked with Franz Pagot and believe me when I say he is definitely well known; notability surely applies in his case more than others cinematographers— 79.31.153.62 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 19:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete This article is extremely lacking in good sources. The claim about whose music videos he worked on is not at all supported by the link for example. The coverage does not come anywhere close to rising to the level required by GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There are enough references and good sources in the article and music videos do not have an official database such as IMDB for feature films, in any case there is enough on the internet and anywhere else to verify who is and what he has done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acquadiva (talk • contribs) 11:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC) — Acquadiva (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
You can add more comment but please don't repeat your !vote each time. Nthep (talk) 21:46, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
None of the preceding SPA !voters is currently blocked as a sockpuppet. Unstruck their !votes. Kraxler (talk) 13:39, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I tried Google search, but found no reliable sources with significant coverage [1]. I only found some sources that mention him in passing. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Observation. Not sure which Google did you try (your reference takes to Russian search finds) but if you Google his name 18,500 search finds come up in 2.8 seconds [1] and that I call it impressive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acquadiva (talk • contribs) 18:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not Russian but Serbian (or anyway, Serbian-market). -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • We need reliable sources. 18,000 Google hits are useles if none of them is reliable independen source with significant coverage. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Observation: Pagot was born in the small town of Conegliano near Venice, from a modest family. Splendid. I'm sure we're all in favor of modesty. Would those who think that the article is worthwhile perhaps purge the section "Career and Personal Life" for what might strike the biographee as immodesty? As it is, this section is sopping with peacockery (and perhaps BS), inclining me toward deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 03:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Observation: The observation above is gratuitous and vitriolic for no reason: many biographies on Wikipedia start like that, it puts the person in context, opposed to 'from a wealthy family and a silver spoon in his mouth' background or 'son of 'insert famous parent'. I have met Franz, he is very humble and modest, a hard working no nonsense person, and a self made successful cinematographer. There is no peacockery or self congratulating bs, and I am sure he did not write or submit his Wikipedia entry either. Why there are 'people' wasting time trying to delete this entry truly baffles me.... envy maybe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acquadiva (talk • contribs) 12:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC) [reply]
  • "... an elite army unit ... in various well known advertising agencies ... highly commended work ... one of the best ads ever ... the blockbuster Happy New Year ... several black belts in many disciplines (Judo, Jujitsu, Karate, Kickboxing)", etc. As a modest person, Pagot would, I expect, be appalled by this kind of talk. -- Hoary (talk) 02:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Falls below the notability standard. Lots of very trivial mentions in passing in articles about other things and other people do not make him notable. QuiteUnusual (talk) 13:51, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep When someone like Franz pagot has a career spanning way before the advent of Internet it is very difficult to find a reference online of certain facts, and that goes for most people, including celebrities. It is unquestionable Franz Pagot has a successful career with some great achievement and there are plenty of references in the article. Notability is proved, no doubt, allso with his work for important charities, all you need to do is check the cover of one of his books Immersive 3-D and you'll se that on the cover it states clearly that all proceeds will go to two Children hospitals. See here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0956818072, it also mentions in the book he is friend of Oscar winner (Slumdog Millionaire) Resul Pookutty, who wrote a section of the book. Franz pagot is obvioulsy well known and well respected amongst his peers in the film industry. — 62.192.26.217 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 14:19, 4 August 2015‎ (UTC).[reply]
  • This is a better link to try. Narrow it to "news" and you get a handful of trivial results. QuiteUnusual (talk) 09:39, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.google.it/search?q=franz+pagot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Tp_DVbm4J4ObgwT2xo2gAQ
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:21, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete His book "immersive photography" is not even in worldcat; his novels are, but they are self published, and in either 1 or zero libraries. Not possibly notable as an author. Ashe haswon no major awards, I'm a little skeptical of the claims. He does not seem to have been director of photography of any major films. His role in Prince of Thieves was as "stedicam utility", a very subsidiary position . Well-respected by his peers" even if it could be proven, is not notability. He certainkly seems to be well liked by the people who have given personal testimonials here, but that isnt relevant for an encycopedia . DGG ( talk ) 07:46, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- After reading the bio, I was left with the question, "What has he done that is really notable?" and my answer was "Nothing". Peterkingiron (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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