Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fr Thomas kottoor

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Sister Abhaya murder case. The usual response to this kind of case is a redirect to the article discussing the case. There is suffucuent support here for this to be the result Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fr Thomas kottoor[edit]

Subject appears to come under WP:BLP1E. Also, has only just been arrested. There is no indication when this might come to trial. Subject is already mentioned in the main article Sister Abhaya murder case. I therefore ask that this article is deleted. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:14, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons as above:

Delete page at Fr Thomas kottoor, because it is duplicated by Fr. Thomas Kottoor. Then rename the latter to Thomas Kottoor. PamD (talk) 08:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (no honorifics in article titles per naming conventions) and redirect the names to the case article (since there's nothing else to tell about them).- Mgm|^(talk) 09:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 10:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all three per WP:BLP1E. These two men are known for being arrested. No substance for balanced biographies. Cover the event. • Gene93k (talk) 12:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all three per WP:BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS.--Boffob (talk) 14:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all three: the individual criminals have no claim to notability apart from the crime, which already has a separate article. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:46, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Fr. Thomas Kottoor. He has been in the news for quite some time. Plenty of source available. See here, here, and here. Salih (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Sister Abhaya murder case--Redtigerxyz (talk) 06:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Sister Abhaya murder case as a subsection. Create a separate article only if that section expands substantially. --Shijualex (talk) 06:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - there is nothing in the three articles that is not already in the article on the case. Therefore there is nothing to merge. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Fr. Thomas Kottoor. Though it is in nascent stage, he is in the news big time. Possible expansion scope still there. But surel keep. Galoiserdos (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Note: More sources are available now. See 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Salih (talk) 18:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have looked at all the sources provided by User:Salih. None of these prove the notability of either of the men outside of this single event. Wikipedia convention is to have an article on the event rather than on the individuals allegedly involved - unless the individuals are notable in other ways. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "single event" you mentioned is one of the most sensational murder cases in the in the history of Kerala. It is a 16 year old murder case that has generated much heat and dust in Kerala. Thomas Kottoor was in the news ever since the murder took place. He is not an ordinary person. With his influence he could evade the arrest for last 16 years. He is a priest and trained psychologist. He was Chancellor of the Diocese of Kottayam.[1]. With the arrest of Thomas Kottoor, he has now become (along with other accused) the main protagonist in the Abhaya murder case. On 19 November, 20008, the front page headline news in the largest circulated regional newspaper in India was the arrest of Thomas Kottoor and the co-accused.[2]. Salih (talk) 14:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this is a sensational case. However, following Wikipedia policy WP:BLP1E we only write about the person in the context of the event. Beeswaxcandle (talk) 23:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect the names to the article on the case. I have no objection to a merge in principle, but there is nothing to merge at this time. I know that in the case of particularly sensational crimes we tend to have articles on the accused - Scott Peterson comes to mind - but in this case we're out in front of the event, and I see no reason not to follow our normal process and cover the event per WP:BLP1E. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 00:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rjd0060 (talk) 15:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all three. Hardly any content in the articles, and all three fall under WP:BLP1E. The event is covered elsewhere. Pcap ping 15:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the article on the case. And rewrite t that article: overdetailed, confusing, and OR. That the people named here have now been actually arrested in connection with the case justifies the redirects. DGG (talk) 02:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No context, definite WP:BLP issues, and when the case in question is a redlink ... it just doesn't work. Additional: that redlink is just on the "main" nomination, I see now. Still, I agree there's no need for each participant to have their own article.23skidoo (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Context is very obvious. Red link is now turned blue. Salih (talk) 17:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.