Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Farhad Mahdavi

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The result was delete. No policy backed arguments have been made for the inclusion of this article. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 18:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Farhad Mahdavi[edit]

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No reliable secondary sources to show notability according to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. (WP:BASIC or WP:MUSBIO) -- Dalba 04:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stop! Don't delete! I think the sources are completely reliable! We can see huge amount of Farhad's releases on iTunes of Apple and this is so reliable! Same to Beatport! I think this article should stay at wikipedia! With a quick search in Google we can see good results about Farhad's notability. Armin Van Buuren's support on Farhad's music is another reason for Farhad's notability. I'm disagree with deletion. Tranceman2000 (talk) 05:40, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:04, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 16:04, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete clear POV issues, beginning with how as a child the subject played a toy keyboard. Notability is borderline at best, but on closer review doesn't suggest much. Kabirat (talk) 08:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Kabirat: So why delete? We can fix these minor issues. No need to delete whole article in my opinion... Tranceman2000 (talk) 10:26, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Tranceman2000: - Could you please specify which of the notability criteria on WP:MUSBIO is demonstrated in the article? Note that web sites selling his music (such as iTunes and Beatport) would not be considered sufficient independent sources. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Tranceman2000: Notice that "a large number of hits on a search engine is no guarantee that the subject is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia." (WP:GOOGLEHITS) Also per WP:MUSBIO, "release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories" can't be used as source for proving a musician's notability. (All references to Beatport and iTunes are of this kind) -- Dalba 17:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Dalba @GoingBatty: So I'm here to explain Farhad's notability according to Wikipedia:Notability (music):

According to Criteria for composers and lyricists: 1. Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. One of the reason of Farhad's notability is big DJs supports on his musics! Armin Van Buuren The No.1 DJ in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2012 supported and played one of Farhad's track live in his radioshow A State of Trance and mentioned his name, Go here: http://astateoftrance.com/episodes/episode-594 The track number 22 is Farhad Mahdavi's Blue Rose. Armin Van Buuren mentioned his name by himself at 01:40:58 After a week his track ranked #3 as the best track of week with people voting in "Future Favorite" section: http://www.astateoftrance.com/episodes/episode-595/ . Paul Oakenfold the best DJ of the world in 2002 played Farhad's release In Ctesiphon http://trance.allmix.org/en/paul-oakenfold-/planet-perfecto-022- Farhad's track is in number 25

According to Criteria for composers and lyricists: 3. Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist who meets the above criteria. Most of Farhad's track are an inspiration for young and newcomer musicians and music producers! They remix his melodies: http://www.bia2.com/music/2665 http://www.last.fm/music/Farhad+Mahdavi/_/First+Kiss+(Dreamy+Remix)

According to Criteria for composers and lyricists: Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter or lyricist that meets the above criteria. His name mentioned as one of Orchestral Trance pioneers in Wikipedia long time ago and still not changed, So people know him as orchestral trance pioneer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uplifting_trance#Current_status

According to Criteria for musicians and ensembles: 5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable). Check his Discography, He have more than 50 releases in major labels with a long history

in Resources content one of the good online source is Allmusic search engine! So go there and search Farhad Mahdavi then you can find tens of results! It's not a reason of his notability according to Wikipedia terms? http://www.allmusic.com/search/all/farhad+mahdavi

Trance Music is a special genre of Electronic Music and notability in Trance is not easy to find like other genres. At all I'm sure this article should stay at Wikipedia. He have most of the conditions of a famous producer. I'm totally disagree with deletion of this article! Tranceman2000 (talk) 11:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1. "DJs supports" does not make a recording a notable composition. If it's notable, it should have at least one of the conditions mentioned in WP:MUSBIO. Can you write an article about any of his compositions? Also A State of Trance's selected tracks are sometimes promotional, or they are announced during the show in order to help promote new artists. It does not meen that the artist is notable. (IMHO)

3. ". . . who meets the above criteria". Please refer to WP:COMPOSER #1 and #2 for those criteria. Remixes by "young and newcomer musicians and music producers" does not meet those criteria. Also we can't use Wikipedia as a source here. (WP:CIRCULAR).

5. Is any of those lables listed here?

Allmusic is good "to find ownership information on song texts copyrighted in the US". But All music's database includes over six million digital songs! Surely most of them are not notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia.

-- Dalba 21:28, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1. No it's not promotional! He played several times, Also same to Aly & Fila they played more than 10 times his music, not only as a voice only, There is mroe than 500 tracks got released per week, but A State Of Trance have only about 20 tracks. So it can be a reliable as a good source. Don't forget he is the best DJ of the world right now according to rankings. 5. This list are for Acoustic Music, Not for Electronic Music. Farhad have even a better labels than other artist who have pages in wikipedia, for example Blue Soho Recordings ranked #6 best Trance label of the world in a good ranking. Nobody can sign with this major label. I think I said enough reasons for keeping it in Wikipedia, If the Wikipedia team want to delete it without according to the sources I said then I can't do anything. A State Of Trance is the best radioshow of Trance music and one of the best Radioshows in Electronic musics at all! Nobody can find a reliable source like it. I think wikipedia prefer normal weblogs with unknown people than A State Of Trance by Armin Van Buuren Tranceman2000 (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom, sources are not reliable, Fails WP:Music, probabely self-published. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:52, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Spada2: I said enough reasons for Farhad's notability, Also this article didn't write by himself, I'm a Trance Fan and one of his fans, I'll create more pages for big Trance Producers if this article approved in Wikipedia. I started creating pages for Trance Producers with Farhad but this kind of excuses for deleting will stop my article wrriting in Wikipedia. Tranceman2000 (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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