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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep and improve. There is broad agreement that this article is deeply flawed and written from a particular perspective. In fact the primary author's comments right here in this discussion show their own prejudices on the topic. However, the topic is broader than just the civil war, having been demonstrably present both before and after it. There is no agreement on if or how it could be merged, but that discussion can continue on the talk page if needed. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Conflict in Sri Lanka[edit]

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unsourced, no real point to the article, includes myths and legends to a present day situation. Sri Lankan Civil War article already exists. Blackknight12 (talk) 15:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the final version of the article. Currently I am adding references to this article. I will complete finding and referencing things within a month. Also I want to add more details than this first version which is more towards the structure. It is some tedious work which can't done in few hours. This is not a WP:POVFORK since no other Wikipedia page is created to discuss the history , tension situations, civil wars erupted. Sri Lankan Civil War is only a stage of the ethnic conflict. So it's scope is limited only to the civil war. Also history of Sri Lanka/any other country is a huge ,"non categorized" topic. In this article only subjective events were concerned. --Himesh84 (talk) 06:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, There should be an opening paragraph (the socalled lead) where a short description about the topic is given. Also, the article must reflect both sides of the conflict. If myths and legends are to be mentioned at all, they should not be presented as facts, and myths and legends of both sides and the role and significance of these myths in the ethnic conflict should be presented. Otherwise you are absolutely right that the ethnic conflict should have an article on its own, where the article focuses on contributing factors to the ethnic conflict, how it developed and evolved. --SriSuren (talk) 15:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback. I will update according to your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himesh84 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • KEEP This article is certainly not a POVFORK and should most certainly not be deleted. The ethnic conflict and the civil war are not the same. Let me explain it in a simple way - the ethnic conflict predates the civil war by several decades and it continue to exists even after the civil war ended. The civil war was just one result of the ethnic conflict. The present article is very one sided and has some irrelevant myths etc and therefore needs to be rewritten and improved, but it must not be deleted. It amazes me that there has not been an article on the topic until now. --SriSuren (talk) 15:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Potential keep -- I am not clear what else exists, but this looks adequate to me. There are conflicting views between the Tamils and "natives" as to history. This is probably too raw a subject for a NPOV consenus to arise on the history of the issue. If necessary, it should be userified, so that the main editors can bring the article to a more finished state. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:24, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Definitely a WP:POVFORK. The user who created this article believes that the information in other established articles to be fake ([1], [2]) and so they have created this article to put across their POV. Without a lead it's difficult to say what the point of this article is. If it's about the "Ethnic Conflict in Sri Lanka" then there are plenty of other articles which deal with this: Sri Lankan Civil War, Origins of the Sri Lankan civil war, Sri Lankan Tamil nationalism etc. But as it stands now the article is actually about the entire history of Sri Lanka, going back tens of thousands of years. Again, there are plenty of articles dealing with Sri Lanka's history - History of Sri Lanka, Prehistory of Sri Lanka, Ancient history of Sri Lanka, Medieval history of Sri Lanka, Colonial history of Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka in the twentieth century, Post conflict history of Sri Lanka. Most of the article has been copied from other articles, most of it is unreferenced, it contains original research, it contradicts itself and it's full of factual errors.--obi2canibetalk contr 15:19, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Civil war is in Sri Lanka is over. Not the Conflict. Still some popular topics are spreading through the world. eg : Tamils are the Natives to Sri Lanka. There should be no Sinhalese colonies in so called "Tamil Home Lands". From this article I want bring the complete picture of the ethnic conflict. That means History, civil war, ethnic conflicts after the war (homeland,traditional land, natives,...) --Himesh84 (talk) 17:26, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 03:21, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Keep. We should keep articles which give interesting information about countries. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Potential keep-I agree with Peterkingiron, this article clearly has some POV material, however it is a notable conflict that does predate the civil war. It needs to be copy edited/cleaned by multiple editors, but it is a notable subject.CouchSurfer222 (talk) 17:57, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is stated that Ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka is a combination of Sri Lankan Civil war + History of Sri Lanka. Logically it is correct. But it is not practical. History of Sri Lanka is a huge subject. Also it is very much brief description about all the history which can't be written in details within a small wiki page. For me it is very much difficult to find specific details about ethnic details from the history of Sri lanka page. We must implements detailed specific things in derived pages for a subject like history. Also "Sri Lankan Civil War" only contains about things happened after 1900 and the last battle between two groups. But ethnic conflict containing more details. More battles (Magha invation, Parakramabahu VI's Jaffna invasion, ... ) and relationships (king Senerat and Cankii) agreements, how intermediate parties settled tension in past (Portuguese, Dutch, English) .... Those things can't be talked from "Sri Lankan Civil war" wiki page. It is out side the Topic (which target the last battle) and scope.--Himesh84 (talk) 14:20, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I find that I have one supporter. I am not qualified to undertake the necessary restructuring of the articles. This probably needs a multiple merge to otehr articles on the history of Sri Lanka, undertaken by a NPOV expert. If no one will come forward to do this, the aritcle will have to be deleted, as it is undesirable to have multiple articles all covering the same subject, unless they form a tree with a general article pointing to more detaield main articles, which may in turn have main sub-articles. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:41, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it possible to merge this page to "History of Sri Lanka" or other way around ? I believe it is not a good idea since History should be brief. Also this article contain some extra details which hasn't not covered in any articles. I think Ethnic crisis in Sri Lanka is huge subject and there should be a wiki page for that. Also recent civil war is huge subject , there should be another wiki page for that. There are lot of wiki articles which talk history about particular subject from that page without merging into the history of that country or continent. Logically we can merge every wiki-page into History except what is still going on but practically not. So we have to merge all the kingdoms into history of that country,no wikipages about kings that belongs to the history. Battles, empires, rebels,Olympic games, football games,elections,famous presidents,famous persons also into history. More than 75% wikipages are logically belongs to History. That will be not good.--Himesh84 (talk) 14:20, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am suggesting a multiple merge to the histories by period. If I knew about the subject, I might do it, but I do not. Or perhasp what I am saying is that much of the content needs to be merged to those articles, leaving a much shorter summary, covering the main points. Lowellian is wrong, becasue most of the article is not about the recent civil war, but about the source of the tensions that lay behind it. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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