Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eliyahu Comay

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eliyahu Comay[edit]

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All primary sources. Could not locate secondary sources. Does not meet WP:BASIC. IRWolfie- (talk) 11:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. GS search for "E Comay" gives an h-index of 12. Not enough to pass WP:Prof#1 in this field. Xxanthippe (talk) 12:42, 20 April 2013 (UTC).[reply]

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Delete per Xxan. Ray^Talk 16:39, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: please see these related articles:
Proton spin crisis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (created by the same SPA to support Comay's theories; POV-split of nucleon spin structure)

Vector meson dominance (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (heavily edited by the same with the same purpose)

—though neither of these are candidates for deletion; the former is worthy of merging, the latter needs trimming. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 23:06, 21 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see no significant problem with either of these articles, both on important topics, except that references to the Comay papers, published in fringe journals, should be removed as being of insufficient weight. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC).[reply]

The problem is that all of the many issues Comay harps on—listed in his article, and in greater detail on his site and his son's blog—are being used to contradict two major pillars of modern physics, QCD and electroweak theory, of which the Comays do not approve. Thus, anything written by any of these editors is highly suspect. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 01:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not so. The Proton spin crisis is still a hot topic and Vector meson dominance, although not current, is of historical interest. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:23, 22 April 2013 (UTC).[reply]

Agreed: I didn't say they aren't valid (how would I know, after all? I'm not a scientist, but I did search and found both topics discussed by reputable sources) but I think there is a definite slant in both articles to undermine QCD (which is the Comays' goal: again, see their respective sites). הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 01:39, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The best place to take this would probably be the WikiProject for physics. The people who know the subject matter will be watching there. Ray^Talk 17:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I had actually brought it up at the fringe theory noticeboard and cross-posted to WikiProject Physics before this was brought to AfD—so our local physics experts should be aware of this discussion. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 17:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. If the claims of being a national champion at distance running can be substantiated, he might be notable in that respect, despite his apparent failure to pass WP:PROF. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the guidelines in that area overly well, I'll add the deletion category. IRWolfie- (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. IRWolfie- (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found 29 hits for Comay in Hebrew (אליהו קומאי) at the Historical Jewish Press database; all seem to refer to him, and almost all relate to his athletic accomplishments, though none (apparently) cover him in-depth. His prime claim to fame seems to be his being the winner of Israel's first running championship (is this the correct terminology?), in 1957. Similar results are found on the web, with one in-depth article at an Israeli running website: [1]. I'm not sure how far this counts toward notability as an athlete. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 18:38, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note that WP:NTRACK is for professional athletes, not amateurs winning a race. Was he a professional athlete? Has Israel "been ranked in the top 40 on the IAAF world leading list at the end of a given calendar year"? IRWolfie- (talk) 23:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He states in his interview quite clearly that he is not—and has never been—a professional athlete, unless my unfamiliarity with Modern Hebrew has mislead me: "למרות היותי הישראלי הראשון שזכה אי פעם בתואר אליפות המכבייה בריצה, לא פתחתי קריירה של רץ "מקצועי" למרחקים ארוכים."‎ הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 00:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No opinion I think he doesn't meet NTRACK. (Note that the "top 40" refers to athletes, not countries.) I wouldn't be amazed if he met GNG, though; some more interviews like that might push him over the edge, and if he's still written about forty years later I'd imagine he was written about at the time as well. (Note further that NTRACK was written to cover non-professional athletes; whether it's interpreted that way here is another issue, but I've never seen anyone otherwise meeting NTRACK being thrown out for not being a professional. 1957 was right in the middle of the amateur era of athletics and pretty much no one was officially professional then, so it's pretty certain that Comay wasn't.) Sideways713 (talk) 11:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: no convincing notability as an academic; apparently not notable as an athlete (though I could be convinced otherwise). הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) (formerly R——bo) 13:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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