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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Just to clarify any potential confusion, this AfD applies to Dutch people in France only; the other articles listed have their own AfD going. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dutch people in France[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG: the significance of Dutch emigration to France is not established. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 14:31, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:41, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:41, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:41, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Dutch people (or more precisely: West Flemish or French Flemish) are a prominent minority in the Northern France with a very long history since at least the 9th century. This could be expanded into a worthy article. Alternatively it could be redirected to somewhere, but I am unsure what would be a suitable article. Rest of the articles seem to fail GNG, and they can be deleted. Ceosad (talk) 20:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Surely that would be an article about Flemish people in France, not Dutch people, Ceosad? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:01, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cordless Larry: The difference between Flemish people and Dutch people is that the Flemish are Catholic, and the Dutch are Calvinist. Both of them speak Dutch language. Serbo-Croatian language has a similar, but not identical, situation with Muslim Bosniaks, Catholic Croatians and Orthodox Serbians speaking it. Making a difference between a Flemish and a Dutch is more difficult than with a Bosniak and a Croat. See Dutch people#Culture. Ceosad (talk) 14:07, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I'm not so sure. I've never met a Flemish person who considers themselves Dutch. At the very least, this rationale would require sources that establish that Flemish people in France are commonly labeled as Dutch. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:27, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cordless Larry: That is a fair concern. However, I do not have a good source at hand. I just prefer to think this more as an ethnicity, than a nationality, based article. Greeks in France also includes historical immigration that was not related on citizenship, or existence, of modern states. The whole split between Flemish and Dutch kind of stabilized in the 19th century as far as I know. Ceosad (talk) 18:22, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Ceosad: Flemish and Dutch history split with the Fall of Antwerp in 1585: that established the borders of the Southern Netherlands and the Republic, which were pretty much reestablished in 1830. The 1815-1830 unification was a result of power politics, not of any shared notion of ethnicity. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 19:13, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If you have an opinion on the other articles please comment at their AfD. This is not a bundles AfD. Thank you. JbhTalk 14:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:GNG. I thought there might be some scholarly literature on Dutch retirement migration to France, but I've not been able to find it or many other reliable sources, so I'm not satisfied this meets the notability guideline. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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