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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Devon Nicholson[edit]

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This is basically a BLP1E. The article was puffed up with a lot of unsourced claims and unverifiable claims sourced to a website that doesn't appear to exist anymore and is specifically excluded from archive.org. I removed the puffery and unsourced or poorly sourced claims and basically what we are left with is a bunch of stuff about him stabbing someone during a wrestling event and a couple things about a Hepatitis C diagnosis and a related lawsuit. His notability as a Youtube personality and/or wrestler isn't established at all. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 22:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Between the stabbing incident and the Hep C lawsuit, the subject has been discussed in some major sources--CBC, USA Today, Figure Four Wrestling, etc. The CBC story also has links at the bottom to two other stories about Nicholson's Hep C journey and some accompanying information about his career. 1E makes no sense, as there are clearly two distinct events that have been discussed by major media outlets. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — After taking the most cursory look at the nominator's indiscriminate hack-and-slash job, I conclude this nomination is highly disingenuous. The "website that doesn't appear to exist anymore" is Slam Wrestling, which is used extensively as a source in our coverage of pro wrestling. Rather than ceasing to exist, this site is now at its own domain instead of being accessed through CANOE. Clearly, WP:BEFORE in this case should have included a discussion with the participants of WP:PW. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 06:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    See [12] starship.paint (exalt) 14:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    And all Slam! stories are available in archived form through https://archive.today GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per GaryColemanFan and RadioKAOS. WP:LINKROT isn't a valid reason for deletion, he has covered by various WP:RS for years.LM2000 (talk) 08:22, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article looked considerably different before the nominator gutted it and took the scraps to AfD. With the exception of two sentences about a lawsuit involving Abdullah the Butcher (which garnered international attention by the way), all that remains of an article created fifteen years ago are three paragraphs about an incident from this week. The article looks like a BLP1E case by design and is deserving of a WP:TROUT.LM2000 (talk) 11:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per Gary and Radio. Maybe the article needs more work, but Nicholson has been working for 20 years. Also, the nominaor deleted tons of information, including the Championships and accomplishments section (which several of them are unsourced, but not under the reason he gave) Also, the referee incident and the hep C cases are notable. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - there's no way this is a BLP1E if there's at least two things, which there are, one is getting Hep C from Abdullah the Butcher and the second is the referee stabbing incident. I'm concerned that WP:BEFORE has not been followed, especially the part on Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability. I'm finding more and more mainstream news sources, the delete voters should be ashamed. starship.paint (exalt) 11:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    There's now 30+ references in the article, you can even ignore the Championships and accomplishments section and this is still true. starship.paint (exalt) 08:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, a somewhat prominent independent wrestler with a fairly lengthy career and a couple of incidents of notoriety. McPhail (talk) 11:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete He got Hepatitis C and stabbed a referee. He tried out for WWE and failed to catch on, like thousands of other hopefuls. What's notable about that? Is he a wrestler, a YouTuber or some kind of violent criminal? The article doesn't really make this clear by the text and look ing back, I think the deletions were very much warranted as most of it was unsourced and highly promotional in nature. OrgoneBox (talk) 15:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - 1. RadioKAOS, when you have a moment, please familiarize yourself with WP:ASPERSIONS and WP:AGF. Your "comment" here is a personal attack. 2. LM2000 - You've made a ridiculous accusation that borders on a personal attack. The article was tagged as needing sources for over 4 years, which none of you who seemingly find the subject very important bothered to find or fix until now. Your accusation of "gutting" is false... what I did was remove a lot of unsourced promotional claims, puffery and unverifiable content, which is totally in keeping with standard editing here. See also WP:BURDEN. 3. HHH Pedrigree - The ONE source in the Championships section was to his own Youtube channel, making it a SPS about him giving himself the championship in his own tiny non-notable promotion. We don't write BLPs based on claims made by the article subject themself. 4. General comment - Articles about wrestlers aren't any less subject to the stringent sourcing requirements of WP:BLP. We do not build Biographies here based on unsourced puffery and claims sourced to unverifiable sources or 4. - going forward, I invite all of you to continue voting as you see fit WITHOUT the personal attacks and unsupported accusations against me. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 17:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Answer to number 3. I never said anything about lack of sourcing (which was sourced by Cagematch). However, removing a championship he won just because "own tiny non-notable promotion" is not an argument. As Starship said, I saw a problem where just removed unsourced information but looks like you didn't tried to find sources (it's not hard to find sources for the IWA or the WWC titles) or looking the archived ones --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Cagematch is not a WP:RS. Removing a championship he granted to himself in his own non-notable company seems like completely normal removal of puffery to me. What's next, we give him the Canadian Backyard Championship too? Championships don't mean anything unless the promotion is notable. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 17:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Several GA and FA include titles with no articles. Can you tell me a policy about that? The WP:PW/MOS doesn't say anything like that. It's a title he won during his professional career and it's sourced --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • I didn't say anything about titles having articles here, I said non-notable title, and nothing you've said has convinced me otherwise regarding the notability of GNW. WP:VER, WP:RS, WP:BLP. Promotional detail about living persons needs to be well sourced, and I don't mean to his own Youtube, which is what was in there before. That's pure puffery. The fact other articles have glaring sourcing issues that run afoul of policy isn't a valid reason to repeat those errors here. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 20:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • I think you made an attempt, in good faith, to clean up an article with the same run-of-the-mill issues that many neglected articles have. I don't think your version ended up being very policy compliant either though and there was no reason for this to end up at AfD.LM2000 (talk) 11:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • I disagree that "my version" was not policy compliant, see WP:BURDEN. AfD isn't an attack on an article or editor, or even a big deal... it's just a discussion. If the result is "keep" and people have found sources I and other did not then that's lovely. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 17:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Passes WP:GNG and have multiple coverage २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 17:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: if it was just the stabbing incident, then I'd agree it would be a BIO1E and should be deleted on that basis, but the Hep C lawsuit — which got significant coverage at the time — means he is notable for two events and so we fall back on the basic criteria, which he passes. Sceptre (talk) 17:38, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Notable for at least two events. The hepatitis issue was also widely covered: [13][14][15].--Mvqr (talk) 11:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep If some bloody new money mark stabbed a referee in Mudlick for fifteen minutes of YouTube heat, I'd see how we might want to not encourage that approach. Referees have families, dammit! But as you've now read, this is Hannibal we're talking about, who was cursed with fringe status as a guy who couldn't quite make it to Ryback, Horace Hogan or Mantaur levels, but took that lemon and ran with it, all the way to the juicer. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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