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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I noticed several WP:ATA arguments including: no reason to delete, not as notable as Susan Boyle, mere votes (some fallaciously appear to be saying something), etc. When it all comes down to it, no clear consensus emerges. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Talent[edit]

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The subject of the article appeared as a contestant during the audition-phase of Britain's Got Talent's third season. His act has not recieved major attention from any source, and as a person he has so far in his life done nothing worth warranting an article on Wikipedia. Ixistant (talk) 02:52, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Definatley a keep, there is no reason for it to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.16.214.225 (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the act, maybe not, but he has notability from before the show. Past notability plus BGT attention = a keep from me. Sceptre (talk) 04:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Would suggest a merger to Britain's Got Talent (series 3) as his other notability is almost trivial but it seems from the discussions for the other contestants (Boyle, Jafargholi, and the current Steel one) that consensus is moving towards keep for all who audition and win, against the prior policy of only winners or finalists. I suspect we'll be back here on these in a few months and wonder what we did. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The difference between the previous ontestants you have mentioned is that they either had something resembling a notable career before the show (as in Jafargholi's case) or have made the news in other countries besides the UK (slightly in Steel's case, MASSIVLEY in Boyle's case). However DJ Talent has done nothing that warrants an article. Another major difference is that it's widely accepted that Steel, Boyle and Jafargholi will at least proceed beyond boot camp and possibly even win, whereas DJ Talent is widely considered to be very unlikely to win. Ixistant (talk) 05:17, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Boyle received outside news because of her audition. Jafargholi same thing. Steel, I can't even figure, but basically the same. None has any news that predates their audition (i.e. the audition was the reason for the background stories). This is actually the first one to have received some notability BEFORE his audition (although, I admit, trivial at best). Any claims that one shouldn't be here and the others should because of a WP:CRYSTAL-ball theory as who will win is irrelevant. We should not be making judgments as to who we think is likely to win and should stay, versus not. That opens Wikipedia to itself becoming the story. I wanted Boyle to be redirected (WP:BLP1E), and would argue the same for all of them (to be split out if they become notable, winning or not, the way things used to be done), but it's futile if consensus is going to switch to "let's keep this here because being a contestant on a game show is notable enough and then revisit later." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As I already said on your talk page Ricky, the only reason DJ Talent's article was added is because he was on BGT. If it wasn't for his BGT appearance then he'd have no more notability than most people on the street, and even then that's probably the same amount of notability as most of the other contestants on the show who have made it past the auditions and not recieved Wiki articles about themselves. Ixistant (talk) 05:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And you can't say the same about the others? I think all of them are too early for their own articles (what's wrong with a paragraph blurb at Britain's Got Talent (series 3)?), and really think adding them to Template:Britain's Got Talent is a bad idea. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While I voted for Strong Keep in Boyle's and Jafargholi's case, this has neither been a remarkable performance, nor is he a remarkable singer, actor, or anything. It has just been shown because it is stupid. However: If there are people who think DJ Talent deserves a good article, and are willing to write one, let them do it. However, if the article is still trivial in 1 month, it should be proposed for deletion again. 85.197.28.59 (talk) 14:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't that basically guessing as who is "remarkable" enough or not? I suspect that, unless something unusual happens, most of them will become trivial within a month. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 12:48, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wasn't this article nominated for AFD before? I distinctly remember seeing it listed. - Mgm|(talk) 12:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems not - just seems like it due to references in the Susan Boyle AFD.
  • Keep The topic is notable as it has received attention from major sources on multiple occasions, as the sources in the article indicate. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Or at least merge it into the Britain's Got Talent article. Zestos (talk) 18:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with Britain's Got Talent, possible remake of the article if he does actually win the contest, he hasn't received any significant press to warrant his own article. Afkatk (talk) 07:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Isn't as notable as some of the other acts such as susan boyle. --WizardPager212 (talk) 20:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Appeared on a television show once. Are we going to start making articles for everybody who ever won a round on Star Search? Everybody who ever won a case presided over by Judge Judy? At the very least, wait until the season is over and we know who actually won. — Gwalla | Talk 04:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The subject has appeared on TV several times, as the article says. This opinion should be discounted as it misrepresents the topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, but the distinction between other contestants is that he was, under the classic definition, notable before the Britain's Got Talent appearance. As I said above, one on the two event on their own would convince me to !vote delete, but the two combined would convince me to !vote keep. Sceptre (talk) 11:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
However, could you really class his past actions as being noteworthy? If there was a story in the paper today about a man who was trying to sell his gold teeth, and who'd been on The Wright Stuff before would you class that person as being worthy of an article? What you also have to remember is that we're not voting on "Delete if he doesn't win". We can't know if he will win or not, so that cannot and must not be the sole basis of keeping this article. Remember, WP:CRYSTAL. In Susan Boyle's case she has recieved enough attention to be notable beyond the show, even if she doesn't win. And besides, we're not voting on whether Susan Boyle or anyone else should have an article. We are voting on whether DJ Talent should have an article. So remember, keep this article if you feel he is notable enough to recieve an article even if he doesn't get fuirther in the contest. However if you feel that DJ Talent is not notable for an article then either vote Delete or Merge. Ixistant (talk) 12:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A famous London DJ who has been in the news several times - this is enough by itself, but the added publicity of his BGT run surely renders him immune to voices of the Article Deletion Squad. If I were an admin I'd even consider WP:SNOWing this. C.U.T.K.D T | C 08:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • A snowball keep is only warranted when AfD participants are unanimously in favor of keeping. There is opposition here, so there is no snow. — Gwalla | Talk 16:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Woo appeared on television once, still not famous. JBsupreme (talk) 08:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The subject has appeared on TV several times, as the article says. This opinion should be discounted as it misrepresents the topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But Boyle, Jafargholi, and Steel are? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:11, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Boyle received significant coverage in British and international press and there's reasonable expectation that she shall continue to do so. This is not true of this contestant. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - BGT is the main thing for him, which involved his terrible rap, when he has had the success of other talent show terrors The Cheeky Girls then recreate the article. If the Afd had been started after he gets rejected from the competition then I think it would be more towards delete, the fact he is currently in it is the only reason it has support in my opinion. He has no coverage relating to his music & DJing so he must be pretty amateur. --Holkingers (talk) 10:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - neither a remarkable act, nor previously widely known in any way, nor an act with any chance of winning BGT, neither a talent with any future. Just a joke worth laughing about. There's absolutely no possible public interest in him. 85.197.17.17 (talk) 12:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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