Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chang Khlan Road

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The result was redirect‎ to Chang Khlan. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chang Khlan Road[edit]

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I found this page in the random article search, and it does not cite any sources at all. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Thailand. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Hi @Iljhgtn:, did you carry out a source search before nominating as suggested by WP:Before, most especially part D? Just because an article doesn't currently have references, doesn't make automatically make it a candidate for deletion. Meanderingbartender (talk) 19:17, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as can't seem to find any evidence of notability - Few results here[1] but nothing substantial, Fails SIGCOV & GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 20:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Redirect per below. –Davey2010^Talk 21:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as per Barnards.tar.gz and Paul below -certainly now makes more sense to merge than to delete. –Davey2010^Talk 20:56, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to ~~Chiang Mai Night Bazaar~~ Chang Khlan where it is mentioned, and which seems to have a better shot at notability. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Changed proposed redirection target following discussion further down. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. --Rs chen 7754 21:48, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Agree with Barnards.tar.gz. There are a few sources that mention the road but only in the context of the market. Meanderingbartender (talk) 22:00, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ (see below). Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. The road itself is notable for its history and ethnic communities, not just the night bazaar, and such aspects have been covered in-depth in plenty of Thai sources such as these web articles and research papers. [2][3][4] Cc: Davey2010, Barnards.tar.gz, Rschen7754 and Meanderingbartender. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- If [5] is an undergraduate thesis I don't think that is considered a reliable source. And what makes [6] a reliable source? --Rs chen 7754 04:49, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - Fair enough. A better source, cited by that thesis, would be this 1977 UC Berkeley doctoral dissertation by Suthep Soonthornpasuch, which was republished in 2013 by Chiang Mai University as Islamic Identity in Chiang Mai City: A Historical and Structural Composition of Two Communities, ISBN 9789746727662. It doesn't seem to be available online anywhere, but the citations indicate that it contains in-depth coverage of the history of the Muslim community in Chang Khlan. As for the topchiangmai.com link, sorry, I should have been more careful and linked to the original source. The photos and text are from Chiang Mai University Library's Northern Thai Information Center website. Here's the write-up in English[7].
    There are further sources focusing on Chang Khlan's historic religious communities, especially Muslim, including the book Imagining Communities in Thailand[8], and Thai-language sources including this paper[9], this Thai PBS documentary[10], and magazine articles from the Community Organizations Development Institute[11], Halal Life Magazine (produced in partnership with the Institute of Asian Studies at Chulalongkorn University)[12], and the Thailand Creative & Design Center[13].
    Given that the bulk of available sources are mostly about the communities and neighbourhoods along the road, there's scope for renaming and rewriting the article (which is needed anyway) to focus more on those than just the physical road, but in any case the entities all form part of the same interrelated topic, which is notable. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:18, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - At the end of the day, we are WP:NOT a travel guide. The information from the above sources could be used in relevant community articles, but if we can't find anything about the actual road and it's not a state/provincial/national highway, then it's not notable. --Rs chen 7754 03:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      - It's an urban street, so an article over it should in any case cover its neighbourhoods. This would reflect the sourcing, e.g. [3] and [7] above. But see below. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Chang Khlan. I just noticed that there's also already an article on the subdistrict/neighbourhood, inside which most of the road lies. As mentioned above, the road and its neighbourhoods, considered as a single unit, are notable, and the optimal course of action would be to cover them together in the Chang Khlan article. Do not redirect to Chiang Mai Night Bazaar. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:51, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with you and have changed my vote. We definitely don't need all three articles so it would be best to merge both Chang Khlan Road and Chiang Mai Night Bazaar into Chang Khlan as it seems to be appropriately scoped to include the others. @Davey2010, Rschen7754, and Meanderingbartender: Since I've changed my vote I'm pinging other voters whose vote seemed linked to mine. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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