Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cassiopeia (TVXQ)

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The result was delete. —SpacemanSpiff 18:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cassiopeia (TVXQ)[edit]

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We don't list fanclubs, and I don't see why we would have an article on an official fanclub. Note that the sourcing is all K-pop fan portals, basically. A note in the TVXQ article is fine, but a separate article on a fanclub is not. Drmies (talk) 21:27, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Its the biggest fan club in the world with 800,000 members, it won a Guiness World Record for that, and the source seems to come from a news channel (not a fan portal) -A1candidate (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 22:37, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 22:37, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 22:37, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Claim to Guinness World Record is unverified and probably untrue. This source is not reliable, but an anonymous person claims that Guinness says there is no such record. A search of the Guinness website shows no such record for "biggest fandom" or "biggest fan club". Google search "Guinness biggest fan club" and the only hits are blog sites talking about Cassiopeia. How unlikely that no one else has ever awarded this Guinness World Record except Cassiopeia. Looks like a big joke gone viral (though no doubt the fan club exists). -- Green Cardamom (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I've removed that claim regarding the world record. But there's no question Cassiopeia is the largest fan club in South Korea and its well known in other parts of the world too

Secondary sources describing the popularity of Cassiopeia

"Cassiopeia, the band's official fan club, has more than 800,000 official members just in South Korea, more than 200,000 official members in Japan (BigEast) and more than 200,000 international fans (iCassies)."

Handbook of social media management value chain and business models in changing media markets (PDF). Springer Science+Business Media. 2013. pp. 549–564. ISBN 978-3-642-28896-8. Retrieved 23 August 2013. {{cite book}}: |first= missing |last= (help)

"From just 40 people that attended the first meeting, Cassiopeia Philippines now has over 1,000 members and is growing as more Filipino teens join the organization."

M. Hicap, Jonathan. "Filipinos Get Hooked on K-Pop Craze". The Korea Times. Retrieved 23 August 2013. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help); Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher= (help)

If you wish to claim otherwise, then please provide a reliable source. -A1candidate (talk) 21:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well the proper question is if they are a topic that is discussed in multiple reliable sources in depth, per WP:GNG. The problem is if their self-reported Guinness claim is questionable (ie. they are known to exaggerate), then their self-reported claim of being the largest is also questionable (the 800,000 is self-reported on their website and echoed in some articles). And if we were to remove the 800,000 claim, there isn't much left to say about the group. The sources are brief mentions, there are no in-depth articles about the organization itself. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 22:12, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 00:03, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:08, 1 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:FANCRUFT – fans overestimating their self-importance. Best case redirect to TVXQ. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 03:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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