Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Camp Men-O-Lan

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The result was delete. Only one of the "keep" opinions actually discusses the sources. Sandstein 07:19, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Men-O-Lan[edit]

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Promotional and non-notable summer camp. All sources found are primary, self published, or a directory. The article is also written by a user with no edits outside of this camp/images; This is an indication of a web-host violation. AmericanAir88^(talk) 23:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In searching, I found some non-trivial coverage. See here in Google Books: Brenda Phelan (2011). East and West Rockhill Townships. Arcadia Publishing. pp. 57 and 64. The camp was also the main subject of an article in the magazine Mennonite Life, "Camp Men-O-Lan". Mennonite Life. 10–11. Bethel College: 123–124. 1955..4meter4 (talk) 16:44, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Passing mentions are different from sourcing notability. The East and West Rockhill Townships are directory listings of various attractions. The camp exists, but is not notable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. AmericanAir88^(talk) 20:50, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:17, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The mention in the google books link only shows 4 pictures + a paltry amount of text. From what I can glance of the Mennonite Life reference [1], the camp does not seem to be the main subject of the article (and saying it is seems like a misrepresentation). 110.165.185.203 (talk) 04:31, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Found sources as well. It should be better referenced and copyedited. --evrik ^(talk) 17:48, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the sources are entirely primary, Macaroni kid does not link to any notable text and is a SPS, and CCCA is just a directory. None of the sources are notable and per the WP:GNG, this does not warrant an article. AmericanAir88^(talk) 20:50, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you found sources, share them.2001:240:2409:D0C1:C101:A261:F9E:3773 (talk) 09:37, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the sources added by evrik?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Joe (talk) 14:25, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NOTCLEANUP article should be improved and WP:PRESERVE Wm335td (talk) 17:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTCLEANUP presupposes the notability of the subject, which is not the case here. You can't fix notability. It's either there, or it isn't. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:04, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agree with Wm335td --evrik ^(talk) 03:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unable to find sufficient coverage to ring the the WP:N bell. It has been asserted above that sources exist. But none listed in this discussion or that I could find in my own search come close to meeting GNG. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:00, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not seeing sourcing sufficient to meet WP:ORG. Possibly Redirect to General Conference Mennonite Church, if a mention of it is added there. Speaking of which, if someone wants a cleanup project, the latter look to have a ton of detail based mainly on publications which appear connected to the church... — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:30, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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