Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CJBA-FM

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The result was delete. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CJBA-FM[edit]

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Two smalltown community radio stations, which were initially granted CRTC licenses but cannot be verified as having ever actually launched -- they have no pages on Recnet, no entries in Industry Canada's Spectrum Management database, no profiles at the Canadian Communications Foundation, and no followup license renewals from the CRTC. One of the core conditions for the notability of a radio station is that it has an actual broadcast history, and radio stations are not notable if they are granted an initial construction permit but then fail to ever actually launch and have their initial licenses expire. And while both call signs do come up once each in a North American radio directory found on Google Books (either the Broadcasting and Cable Yearbook 1995 or the World Radio TV Handbook 2007), both come up solely as OCR errors for either CJBR-FM Rimouski or CKTF-FM Gatineau rather than entries for any radio stations in Aroland or Attawapiskat — and both of those sources are annual directories in which these stations would have been included at some point if they had ever actually been on the air for real. (And furthermore, both call signs are listed as available, i.e. unassigned, by Industry Canada.) So if we can't find any sources beyond their initial license approvals, then we can't properly verify that either of these stations ever actually broadcast at all — and that means we can't keep them. Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. These stations never launched and thus are not notable. Raymie (t • c) 18:52, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: I am only "weak keeping" this because both stations were formerly licensed via CRTC. They could be marked as Defunct like US stations are. If they gets deleted, I won't fight it. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:20 on July 22, 2020 (UTC) • #WearAMask • #BlackLivesMatter

Obviously, if it were possible to verify that they were ever actually in operation and then went defunct at a later date, then the fact that they're not still active anymore wouldn't change their notability — but the problem is that there's no verifiable proof that either of these stations ever actually got on the air in the first place. Even in the US, it's not at all abnormal for a radio station to get an initial construction permit but then have its permit expire still unused a few years later, and a station in that boat wouldn't get to keep a Wikipedia article just because it was possible to source the initial construction permit itself. In order to keep these, we would need to see some proof that they ever actually got on the air. Bearcat (talk) 14:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Devokewater @ 15:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:BROADCAST if there is no evidence that the stations actually broadcast.--Tdl1060 (talk) 21:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Tdl1060. // Timothy :: talk 23:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails SIGCOV (notwithstanding that, per Bearcat, they may never have actually operated at all). ——Serial 11:07, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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