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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 01:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brotherly derby[edit]

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Unnecessary at the first place. Albania and Kosovo share a fairly friendly if not saying brotherly relations, so why should they hate each other to a point drafting a derby/rivalry here? It is like saying the football derby between Greece and Cyprus/Poland and Hungary need to have rivalries, which it is extremely useless. Football rivalries in most part only come to mention when it appears to have a lot of historical bad blood between clubs or between nations, as well as desire to compete. Albania and Kosovo's rivalry do not qualify to be an article. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 03:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 09:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 09:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I don't have time to see what the sources say since many of them aren't in English, but if the media covers this match as the "Brotherly derby" significantly then we can have an article on it. I'm not seeing much in English apart from one article from two weeks ago, and the name is used for other derbies as well. SportingFlyer T·C 09:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd question how sufficient it is. Typically, Albanians are known for hyping themselves. The fact that Albania and Kosovo share a healthy relationship mean it is extremely uncanny. These sources have never managed to impress us in the first place. There is plenty of similar friendly derbies like that, such as Poland–Hungary, Greece–Cyprus, for examples. And it has never been taken as articles because it is too friendly to be mentioned as a derby. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 14:51, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - there appears to be sufficient coverage of the topic. GiantSnowman 11:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most important derbies in the world have come from the root of frauds, historical hostilities, and tendency of competitiveness, which is quite usual like the case of Brazil–Argentina (desire to compete and rare, historical rivalry), Belgium–Netherlands (desire to compete) or Iran–Saudi Arabia (religious sectarianism). We rarely see any rivalries that have been based on a "friendly" manner, cases like Greece–Cyprus or Poland–Hungary are few. And they have never been considered seriously, because it is too friendly, no one writes it. If I were you, I would regret your decision of trying to keep this useless. If you really want to keep it, I think you should write the similar rivalries like that between Greece–Cyprus and Poland–Hungary. Maybe it helps your soul. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 14:57, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I've taken the time to translate articles such as [1] and think this passes WP:GNG, though not in English sources. Also there's no need to write other similar rivalries unless they have been written about and pass WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 16:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - For some reasons like:

1. This derby, in addition to having a brotherly character, also has a competitive character because both teams are in competition which of them is quality team with positive results and which is the first to qualify in Europian Championship or World Cup.

2. This derby has cases where it has created various incidents between the two federations and between the two fans groups over the issue of which team should get the quality player who plays in the Albanian diaspora.

3. The arrival of players from Albania to Kosovo and from Kosovo to Albania until 2016 are called exchanges because Kosovo has not been a member of UEFA and FIFA, after membership these arrivals were called acts of betrayal as two concrete cases when Amir Rrahmani, Milot Rashica and some other players who were part of Albania joined Kosovo in sign of revenge for not included in the Albania's Euro 2016 players list,[1] while there is another case where Ardian Ismajli and Kastriot Dermaku who were part of Kosovo joined Albania in sign of revange for not entering in the starting lineup. Both of these cases have been called acts of betrayal by the fans of both teams.

4. We also have the case when the Albanian Football Association blocked the documents of Loret Sadiku, which made it impossible for him to come to Kosovo national team and is accused by the player of forging from Albanian Football Association a signature who allegedly for rejection of Kosovo and join with Albania.[2]

5. These two teams have had three qualifying matches, two within the U21 Championship qualifiers, which has caused several incidents between the players around the goal celebrations and one within the Women's World Cup qualifiers where there was an incident about a goal from Kosovo which according to Albania was an offside position.

6. Before making this decision, you should read about these two teams (states) and after a week, the draw for the qualifiers of the "Qatar 2022" World Cup is expected to be divided, where these two teams are expected to be in the same group.

7. For this derby, RSSSF (an international organization dedicated to collecting statistics about association football) has dedicated a special article: Derbi vëllazëror. ManiacOfSport (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - as per arguments made above. Krelana (talk) 18:00, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is not uncommon for notable rivalries to exist despite strong positive relations between the entities represented. This is true both on an international level (see England-Scotland football rivalry) and within nations (see Army-Navy game). As no valid reason has been specified for deletion, default to keep. Smartyllama (talk) 13:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - meets WP:NRIVALRY; there is currently no requirement for the rivalry to be a bitter one; it simply needs to have significant coverage in reliable sources which this has Spiderone 22:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Andi Bushati. "Milot Rashica, një tradhtar i mërzitur" [Milot Rashica, an upset traitor]. Ekonomia Online (in Albanian). Retrieved 1 December 2020.
  2. ^ "Loret Sadiku padit FSHF-n në FIFA!" [Loret Sadiku sues AFA in FIFA!]. Gazeta Blic (in Albanian). Retrieved 1 December 2020.
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