Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Kolhapur (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect‎ to Shivaji#Siege of Panhala. (non-admin closure) Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Kolhapur[edit]

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No sources in article, very very few hits on google scholar. I think this may be WP:citogenesis, so please ensure any sources you find pre-date 2006, the original publication date of this article. The battle itself may have happened (just not as "Battle of Kolhapur"), in which case we could write about it on Battles involving the Maratha Empire, provided, again, that we can find pre-2006 sources. asilvering (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, India, and Maharashtra. asilvering (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also check the sources that the editors will use in future. Because many sources used Wikipedia as a reference such as 'Maratha generals and their personalities'. Ajayraj890 (talk) 18:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a source (PhD Dissertation) that doesn't seem to mention this, despite covering the period. I may have missed something tho so I'm still not sure. [1]. —siro χ o 03:15, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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--Cewbot (talk) 00:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Sarkar, Jadunath (1920). Shivaji and his times. London ; New York : Longmans, Green. pp. 262–263. mentions fighting between Shivaji and the combined forces of Rustam Zaman and Fazl Khan near Panhala in late 1659 or early 1660, which is consistent with the article, although it does not corroborate the article's details regarding force compositions or tactics.

Sardesai Govind Sakharam (1946). New History Of The Marathas Vol-i 1600-1707 (1946). B. G. Dhawale, Bombay. p. 131. has similar details and gives the date (28 December 1659) that's in the article.

Jfire (talk) 21:46, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the recently cited source https://archive.org/details/ShivajiSouvenir

Page no 164 does not mention a battle at Kolhapur in 28th December 1629. It is removed now. Ajayraj890 (talk) 05:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jfire, how this sources can be used? These sources doesn't provide enough context as it is shown in the article. The date is missing, the details of infobox is missing and what makes it more questionable is, the infobox had 'strength' parameter with some random numbers recently. From where did those information came? I don't think this article should be in mainspace since the details about this event is very less in reliable sources. Also I remind you that to not cite sources which was published after the creation of the article. Ajayraj890 (talk) 05:17, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both of these sources are many decades before the creation of the article, but obviously they don't corroborate the details regarding force compositions or tactics. Unless there are reliable sources for those, I believe the best course of action is to merge and redirect to Shivaji#Siege of Panhala as suggested by User:Jeraxmoira. Jfire (talk) 20:16, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: By looking at Shivaji, I see that the Battle of Kolhapur comes under the Siege of Panhala [2]. This article can be redirected and expanded under Siege of Panhala due to lack of sources/verifiability or it can be renamed and copyedited to match the sources.Jeraxmoira (talk) 09:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This independent blog covers the events happened on 10 November 1659 to 28 December 1659 and others [3]. Source doesn't look like WP:CITOGEN Jeraxmoira (talk) 09:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Shivaji#Siege of Panhala as suggested above. Not every military engagement is notable and this clearly lacks WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS, I don't see anything that can be merged due to sourcing and vague wording about details that a milhist article should have. Ping me if verifiable sources with SIGCOV are found. // Timothy :: talk 20:56, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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