Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara Gilewska

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The result was no consensus. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Gilewska[edit]

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The article does not meet GNG, BASIC or NACTOR. // Timothy :: talk 02:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. // Timothy :: talk 02:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. // Timothy :: talk 02:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 03:26, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I cannot find any RS that cover her in depth. There are some mentions in Google books but only passing in cast lists. It's possible that there is coverage in non-digitized Polish print sources from when she was alive, but I can't support keeping an article for which the GNG-providing sources are purely hypothetical. (This appears to have been translated from plwiki which likely has different notability guidelines). (t · c) buidhe 09:45, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I would like to offer a different rationale. The mentions in Gbooks show a short if sustained career in the industry. These very early actors weren't documented very wheel, particularly if they bit-part actors and they were working-class. Only the star in general were feted and subsequently documented. Most of the stars are now in Wikipedia and editors are turning to less well know. There is consensus I think, particularly at Afc/NPP that these very early stage actors are notable. scope_creep^Talk 09:50, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, an article cannot be kept based off the belief that sources might exist. Wikipedia does not exist to right great wrongs. Devonian Wombat (talk) 11:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misciting RGW is not a useful argument, that piece is largely satirical. Montanabw^(talk) 17:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Devonian Wombat is citing Wikipedia:Tendentious editing, which definitely isn't intended to be satirical. Either way, their point holds: "this obviously must be notable" is not a policy-based reason to keep an article that does not verifiably demonstrate notability. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 19:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is an article of historical interest. There was no internet when she died in 1986. I am sure that if anyone has access to the Polish press of that period, they would find all the necessary source.--Ipigott (talk) 17:01, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Clearly another example of a notable individual who doesn't "google." The internet was in its infancy (see ARPANET) when she died, but there are news sources from the time, probably not in English. Also, as there was a copyvio issue with the article earlier on, some material used may have been deleted and is not currently visible. Montanabw^(talk) 17:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The world exists beyond the English version of Google. -Yupik (talk) 22:29, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Originally closed as keep but I was asked to relist to give editors an opportunity to find more sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tone 18:37, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I posted to Wikiprojects Poland talk page and Wikiproject Film asking if anyone could help locate any sources. I will also search again. // Timothy :: talk 19:04, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. I really would like to solve it but I don't see any sources outside few mentions in passing. She might be mentioned in this pre-war publication but I don't know how to open djvu files I am getting. She has an entry in this online Polish theatre encyclopedia but it seems just a wikidata style entry (but the site is reliable maintained by a gov't institution pl:Instytut Teatralny im. Zbigniewa Raszewskiego): [1]. Her entry in a similar database run by a another government institute exists but is even more barebones: [2]. This is a bit better (has a short paragraph of text), portal seems maintained by National Film School in Łódź: [3] Few pictures at [4] and [5] which are also maintained by government agencies. I cannot find anything other than a passing mentioned in book / journal sources, but plenty of old Polish sources are not digitized or indexed properly. This is borderline, but when I think we keep one-sentence sport-bio entries because they meet some game-played criteria based on a single game record or such... eh, she played in few old movies too and is as notable as many minor players we have substubs on, probably more given her inclusion in the cited databases including that threatre encyclopedia. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:38, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Piotrus, I checked the source you mentioned [6] (I think any browser with support for HTML5 should open it). She is listed as a cast member on pp.10 and 14 and her photo is on page 14, but no details. // Timothy :: talk 17:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I still haven't been able to find any sources. I checked Polish Cinema: A History by Marek Haltof and found nothing about her (two of her films are listed, but without details and no mention of her). // Timothy :: talk 17:10, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 01:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSandDoctor ^Talk 04:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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