Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arshad Hassan

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:00, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Arshad Hassan

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Does not meet WP:NPOL, and while there is coverage of him, it is all trivial and does not meet WP:SIGCOV. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Pakistan. Shellwood (talk) 10:52, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
• Keep: He served as Deputy Mayor of Karachi which is 12th largest city in the world and largest city in a country. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 13:09, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

  Deputy Mayor's aren't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

  So why members of Philadelphia City Council has been kept in deletion discussion? ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 04:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  𝘚𝘢𝘯𝘦𝘮𝘈𝘺𝘩𝘢𝘯07   16:13, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
• Draftify- Some times I feel unrest, when I see potential good article that should be improved on or moved to draft for improvement instead of nominating it for deletion.Robin499 (talk) 21:56, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to Karachi Metropolitan Corporation and that one line in the article about Deputy Mayor could be added to 2023 Karachi local government elections as well if that's what merging is. Muneebll (talk) 13:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 14:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• Delete The position of deputy mayor is not an automatic pass of WP:NPOL and the sources are not sufficient to pass WP:GNG. The subject is not mentioned in the redirect target Karachi Metropolitan Corporation, so it is not appropriate to redirect there. --Enos733 (talk) 16:06, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
• Comment WP:POLOUTCOMES: "precedent has tended to favor keeping members of the main citywide government of internationally famous metropolitan areas such as Toronto, Chicago, Tokyo, or London." I've not time to search, but it would be surprising that there's no sourcing in Urdu available... Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 09:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

  WP:BLP is policy, POLOUTCOMES is not.  // Timothy :: talk  21:02, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

  Unsure what this has to do with my *comment*. We've deleted members of the Municipal Corporation of Delhi before for lack of sources (I supported that deletion FWIW). I'm not arguing to keep this in the absence of sourcing, I'm noting surprise about a lack of Urdu-language sourcing...but I'm assuming no Urdu-language searching has been done. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 21:14, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete: BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Article and BEFORE showed nothing but pol promo and routine news, nothing from IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  20:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Here's some multi-year results from a 15 minute search in Urdu: detailed report on Hassan's election as deputy mayor, passing mention in MM News report on Hassan serving as acting mayor of Karachi due to the mayor visiting USA, AUJ News report on Hassan at 2020 independence day activities, report mentioning Hassan after term as deputy mayor.

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This kind of coverage is suggestive of further materials being available, but I'm on the fence on this precisely because at the moment I do not have the time to conduct further searching to find enough materials to unambiguously satisfy the GNG. This is, however, one of the largest cities in the world and it would appear strange that the mayors and deputy mayors of such a city would not be notable. FWIW - the reason we need strict applications within BLPs is not related to specific problems related to our policies on notability or sourcing, but rather the need for assurity in regards to verification. There are no specific BLP issues at play here in any way separate from satisfying the GNG (there is no contestible content or content being challenged). A lack of high quality SIGCOV reliable sourcing versus adequate SIGCOV reliable sourcing to satisfy the GNG is not going to impede the creation of a biogrpahy, what might impede its elaboration are specific contested issues where high quality sourcing would be required to include/exclude those contested issues (see WP:BLPSOURCES). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:11, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for finding several sources. I do think that the expectation of local officials is that coverage illustrates more than they "exist;" that the coverage points to actions that the official took while in office or the legacy of the elected official. I do not think that the community believes that passing mentions of serving as acting mayor, speeches or ribbon cuttings, or other routing mentions are sufficient to pass GNG - Enos733 (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I am going to break the rules and relist for a fourth time to allow editors to react to the Urdu sources that were presented on 2 May.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 10:54, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - regarding the four Urdu sources, none are in-depth about the individual. The first is a brief article about him being sworn in, the second is a brief blurb about the mayor leaving and Hassan taking over his duties, the third is about an announcement he made regarding Independence Day, and the fourth is a brief routine coverage about him meeting with a UN delegation.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete The position if deputy mayor isn't notable in itself, and sources fail to show SIGCOV/GNG. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:40, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:NPOL, WP:SIGCOV has not been found. Would gladly change my !vote if broader coverage becomes apparent. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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