Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anton Kuprin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Russian cruiser Moskva#Sinking. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Kuprin[edit]

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WP:BIO1E. The only thing he seems to have received coverage for was his death as captain of the recently sunk Moskva. The article tells us nothing but this fact (which is already covered at Russian cruiser Moskva#Sinking), and I can find no coverage about him prior to his death. Sandstein 16:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Russia. Sandstein 16:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Details are emerging, and being the captain of the largest warship sunk by enemy action since WW2 isn't a minor matter. PatGallacher (talk) 16:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTINHERITED. Sandstein 18:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete at this time, as he seems to only be known for perishing with his ship. If more comes out about his military career that shows he was notable for his general career, this can be revisited. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the ship. Notability is not distinct from the ship herself. JBchrch talk 21:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article creation seems to have been decidedly premature, but it's also not great to have a deletion discussion on any very recently deceased (presumably) individual. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What is wrong with it, exactly? The article should never have been created as anything other than a redirect. This isn't a web memorial. WP Ludicer (talk) 09:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete notable only for death. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 23:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the ship. Notability not confirmed at this point. --► Sincerely: Sola virum 01:30, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the ship Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:46, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the ship Saw this on the Moskva page and came to request it for deletion or redirection. This person is not notable for any other reason than dying. Réunion (talk to me) 03:48, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the ship as per reasons above. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect for now, basically there is not enough sourced material about the subject to justify a separate page. Cavarrone 08:23, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, so BLP1E it hurts. Max Semenik (talk) 12:07, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. 2 weeks to gather info and translate contents. Yug (talk) 🐲 14:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect - When a big event happens, there's inevitable spin-off articles and most of the time there's so many eyes and votes it's near impossible to get rid of the spin-off articles because enough people will vote for keeping them. People completely ignore WP:NOTINHERITED. Here is no different. The guy is notable for a single event, and is quite dead, so it's not like he's going to be doing more things. The details of his life are covered in the article about the ship as well as the attack on Snake Island. We don't need a third article. Notability outside of the ship is not established. News of his death falls under WP:NEWS since it's just a one off news event and not something sustained like coverage of the ship and it's sinking. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the ship appears to be a rather clear case of WP:BIO1E. -Ljleppan (talk) 21:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the ship There is nothing about him on Russian language Wikipedia either. Palm_Dogg (talk) 16:31, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested keep The deletionists/redirectionists in this discussion seem to be assuming that the subject of the article is of interest only because he was the captain of a ship when the ship sank. But he was also the captain of the same ship when the same ship was involved in the largely unrelated Snake Island incident, which similarly attracted a great deal of publicity. The ship itself didn't do anything in either incident; it was just the mechanism by which human beings did something, not once, but in two separate and distinct incidents. And during both of those incidents the most significant human being on board the ship was the captain, wasn't he?? Bahnfrend (talk) 16:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTINHERITED applies. He may have been captain during those events, but there doesn't look to be significant coverage about him related to those events, only coverage of the events themselves. Which is why he doesn't justify a separate article, unless significant coverage of him exists. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested keep - Kuprin had command of the Flagship of the Russian fleet operating in the Black Sea. It is unlikely he got there by accident. According to the Ukrainian equivalent article, citing ref he had a naval career that has been traced as follows:

- ???? - 2016 RKR "Moskva", senior assistant to the commander
- 2016-2020 "Admiral Essen", commander (16/12/2016- ) based in the Crimean Autonomous Republic at Sevastopol but with periods in the Mediterranean (ref) (during the course of which cruise missiles were launched at Syria) (ref for missile strikes- Adm Essen ref 6; see also refs from '#Combat use' in Russian wiki article Adm Essen)
- 2020-2022 RKR "Moskva", commander ref

And he had received the following awards and honours:

- Ushakov Medal
- Medal "For the Return of Crimea"
- Medal "Participant in the military operation in Syria"

It would be good to find proper sources either for or discounting these factoids. Yadsalohcin (talk) 21:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the ship The nominator and others are correct that BLP1E applies, but I can see it being a search term that someone might use, so a redirect would potentially be helpful. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.