Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andre Knol

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The result was keep. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Andre Knol[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Article about player who has not played in a Tier-1 international match. Sint Maarten is a FIFA non-member nation. Simione001 (talk) 01:44, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Simione001 (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep-Sint Maarten is a member of a FIFA confederation and subconfederation, CONCACAF and the CFU. Matches in 2017 Caribbean Cup qualification were against FIFA members in a FIFA-sanctioned tournament which served as qualification for another. If players from associations that are confederation members but not FIFA members are not considered notable, there will be multiple nations in multiple confederations who will likely never have a player that qualifies as notable. Doing so would blatantly disadvantage certain small footballing nations.--Gri3720 (talk) 01:53, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:NFOOTBALL explicitly says that in order for an international match to meet the criteria laid out in the guideline it must be a tier 1 match (i.e. a match between the senior teams of two FIFA members). This is not the case here, nor does Knol meet any of the other criteria of WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:53, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 21:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - has not played in any FIFA recognised international matches, failing WP:NFOOTBALL. Also fails WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 21:58, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - meets new notability guidelines. Giant Snowman 20:18, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. I am sympathetic to Gri3720, I personally feel that NFOOTY should be revisited and adjusted to include non-FIFA nations that participate in continental competitions. I am not sure why a player in one match of a given continental competition is deemed inherently notable as a result of playing in that competition, but a player in a different match in the same competition is not. I would like to see an addition to the notability guideline something along the lines of: In addition to players who have participated in Tier 1 international matches, all players who have appeared for the senior team of sovereign nations in a top-level continental competition in which all matches involving two FIFA members are deemed "Tier 1" are also considered notable by reason of having competed at an equal level to FIFA member nations. However, this would need consensus. I would recommend starting a thread a WT:FOOTY to see if there is similar feeling beyond the two of us. Fenix down (talk) 11:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Fenix down, for understanding and supporting my argument. I was planning on starting a discussion on WT:FOOTY so your encouragement convinced me. Please go to the section and voice your stances. I appreciate that everyone has strictly followed the notability guidelines as they are currently written. That does not however mean that they guidelines are perfect.

Keep - Vote changed to keep now NFOOTY has been clarified to include players such as this. Fenix down (talk) 18:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

--Gri3720 (talk) 17:46, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep-Sint Maarten isn't a full fledged FIFA member per say, but they took part in the Caribbean Cup which is a FIFA recognize event and played competitive matches against FIFA member teams. It is evident to me that Knol played in a FIFE-aknowledged competitive match and thus qualifies WP:NFOOTY. Inter&anthro (talk) 03:44, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Caribbean Cup is a FIFA recognized event. He therefore passes WP:NFOOTY. Smartyllama (talk) 14:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes NFOOTY Spiderone 22:06, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes clarified WP:NFOOTBALL. Nfitz (talk) 13:10, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:NFOOTY has been revised during this AfD, and would now clearly include the Caribbean Cup. Pinging @Sir Sputnik:, @GiantSnowman:, and @Fenix down: in case they want to change their votes in light of this. Smartyllama (talk) 14:14, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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