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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. It seems that the discussion is more about under which name this cultivar should be covered, but this can be discussed further at the articles' talk pages.  Sandstein  10:38, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Almond potato[edit]

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In the talk page for the article it mentions that the article is based on a mistranslation from Norway Falconjh (talk) 03:41, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

or renaming it to Mendel potato per the source:http://www.europotato.org/display_description.php?variety_name=Mandel might be more accurate and better than deletion, assuming it is notable enough to keep and not essentially the same as 5 other potato varieties according to that same source. Falconjh (talk) 03:55, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There is nothing in English called an "Almond Potato" and the only current reference is a dead link to a Norwegian embassy website. Are embassies reliable sources for establishing the notability of plant varieties?.: I think not. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure as it seems this exists and the French and Finnish (Suomi) Wikis have more info so we may not want to be quick to delete this especially if it is common in Scandinavia. SwisterTwister talk 05:58, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- 1Wiki8Q5G7FviTHBac3dx8HhdNYwDVstR (talk) 08:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Rename and move to Mandel potato. Note that the spelling is MAndel, not MEndel. It's real enough and is called as such, as confirmed in Nærstad et al. (2006) which describes it as an "Old Nordic cultivar of unknown origin". And yes, the previously mentioned entry for Mandel in the European Cultivated Potato Database. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 05:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and possibly rename. The cultivar is real, and it is considered a local specialty in areas where it is grown. The EU confirmation as protected designation of origin should be enough to cross the notability threshold. --MPorciusCato (talk) 08:40, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In trying to find more on it I found that it was a Fingerling potato, and I suggest merging in, as I sort of already did. Falconjh (talk) 14:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This potato is covered in Fingerling potato, where the contents of this article are duplicated verbatim. Why should we have 2 articles with the same content? I suggest a redirect. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 14:30, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that as stated above, Falconjh duplicated the article to that section after the fact. I still think the topics are different enough to merit two separate articles and not a redirect.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 06:09, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
User:Obsidian Soul is correct, as I stated; in fact, should I sandbox that change until this is decided? Falconjh (talk) 12:58, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is this a Mandel or Fingerling potato then? Looks like Mandel is more accurate, in which case the redirect should go there. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 13:46, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Mandel would be the narrowest correct definition; Fingerling as a broader category is also correct. Falconjh (talk) 14:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - and rename if that is the problem at hand. EU confirms this even. --BabbaQ (talk) 19:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - it appears clear that this is either the same as Mandel or Fingerling, both of which already have articles, and there is nothing in this article which needs to be merged. Onel5969 TT me 03:35, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:01, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a well-established variety of potato, known since the 19th century - I have no difficulty finding a reference to it in the Journal of the Royal Agricultural Society of England of 1898. See also Abe’s Guide to Growing the Potato. Andrew D. (talk) 13:18, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is this is kept, then we need to do something about differentiating it from the two other varieties, which is currently unclear. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 17:56, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note that this was compiled in reply to the assertion by User:Sam Sailor (who did an inappropriate non-admin closure on this) that "Mandel potato" has "no historical use in the English language". -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 17:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: For convenience, here is also the direct link to the page in Abe’s Guide to Growing the Potato which uses the name "Almond potato". I think it is actually referring to the same cultivar. @User:Andrew Davidson can you link us to the 1898 journal article please? -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 17:51, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Technically this discussion should have been procedural closed early as no valid reason for deletion has been given by nom. It's a mere matter of what is the correct WP:COMMONNAME.
I can understand that it's easy to confuse things more than necessary here:
Nom started this discussion on 03:43, 4 September 2015. A few hours later, 13:53, 4 September 2015, they more or less copy paste Almond potato without supplementary attribution into the article Fingerling potato in this diff.
User:Obsidian Soul makes 05:54, 5 September 2015‎ in this thread the assumption that the article should be renamed to Mandel potato (diff) and creates that title as a redirect to Fingerling potato the next day 6 September 2015.
That seems to have made Onel5969 cast his !vote, but Almond potato predates Fingerling potato with several years, not to talk about the newly created Mandel potato.
The coined term "Mandel potato" returns a mere 193 Ghits, among them are 0 Google Book hits. Talking about the name of the variety being Mandel is not the same as talking about "Mandel potato".
If Obsidian Soul had done any book searches they would have seen that the term "Almond potato" has been in use in English literature since at least 1896:
Not to mention the 100s of hits a WWW search returns:
Book cites were added to the article prior to closing this discussion, and I stand by my NAC. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 19:13, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about my actions, I kind of figured that a stub which had no real substantive edits for over two years which my searching in English quickly showed up that Mandel was the more correct name over Almond in English (and giving Swedish anything in that regards isn't going to help at all) was going to be non-controversial. I actually think renaming is probably the best option at this point as apparently some people do care quite a bit about this potato, at least when it is nominated for integration into Fingerling and deletion as its own stub. Falconjh (talk) 01:49, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We are not talking about hits. We're talking about a CULTIVAR. The number of hits is irrelevant when most of the hits with "almond potato" refers to a recipe which mixes almond and potato. I have done my research. What do you think those links are for above? And if did your research before nominating the redirect as well, you would have clearly seen that "Mandel" has been used as well. Including one of the sources you've provided. Which kind of refutes your earlier assertion that Mandel potato has never been used in the English language, doesn't it?
A few of your links are inaccessible. And several are in Swedish, not English, like this one, which doesn't even have "Almond potato" anywhere on the page. Most of them are restaurant menus (not exactly WP:RS) which does nothing to enlighten if it refers to a potato cultivar or the recipe which uses almonds and potatoes together.
If we're talking about books, "Mandel potato" (in English) is used in the following (all of them botanical works which clearly identifies it as a cultivar, not a recipe)
I don't prefer either "Almond potato" or "Mandel potato". But both are clearly used. What we are trying to do here is determine which is the more common name (my !vote, if you didn't notice, was rename, not delete). And if you think discussions like AfDs are about counting !votes, you need to read the policies again.
I mean, what's with all this hostility in AfDs? This is NOT a contest. And you were involved. Your NAC was inappropriate given that you have a conflict of interest as the nominator of the other discussion.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 00:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also add that cultivar names are scientific names. They are regulated by scientific organizations. They are not common names that can be changed according to whim. When the European Cultivated Potato Database identifies it as Mandel. THAT is the name they are registered under (and thus the name used in scientific literature). The question here is if whether "Almond potato" is used more commonly (or at all) for the cultivar, and thus would be more recognizable for readers if it was the article title. The other possible common names are "Swedish peanut potato" and "Swedish peanut fingerling", both of which should be redirects as well. Note that we are not talking about the oldest name, but the WP:COMMONNAME. But again, the assertion that "Mandel" is not used at all (or is irrelevant) is false, when it is the name the cultivar is recognized under scientifically. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 01:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Lastly, I should also mention that Fingerling potato is a TYPE of potato that is shaped like a finger. Mandel/Almond potato is a fingerling potato. But not all fingerling potatoes are Mandel/Almond. If that makes sense. I created the redirect simply because User:Falconjh moved it there. As I stated above, I still preferred that it be a separate topic and not a subsection.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 01:55, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep ... just in case the next closer is only counting !votes. -- Sam Sailor Talk! 19:28, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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