Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Agassi–Rafter rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agassi–Rafter rivalry[edit]

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It is just a repository of results and is unsourced. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 01:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Never met in a final, though they did have five semi-final matches, keeping each other out of the championship match. Leaning toward delete. Mandsford 02:02, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve references. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:JUSTAVOTE. LibStar (talk) 03:56, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: simply an (unsourced) tabulation of sports results (WP:NOT#STATS, WP:NOT#NEWS, or simply generally WP:IINFO), lacking any WP:SECONDARY source information interpreting or evaluating this "rivalry". Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 14:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — JL 09 ^talk_contribs 18:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's little doubt something good could be made of this article. Reliable sources cover it, and describe it as a rivalry.[1][2] I recall that matches between the two were particularly good, because Agassi was a great returner of serve and Rafter a legendary serve-volleyer. Just a comment because unless the article's improved I have no objection to its deletion. As pointed out, the current article is policy violant. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think part of the problem is that this article (and it seems all the Category:Tennis rivalries articles) doesn't articulate what it means by "rivalry". If all it means is that they were contemporaneous top-level players, who therefore frequently faced each other in finals of major tournaments, then I don't think the topic is notable. For the "rivalry" to be notable, I think a particular animosity or competitiveness beyond what they typically demonstrated towards other players of similar levels needs to be substantiated. Otherwise this is just "routine news reporting on things like ... sports" -- each and every major tennis tournament will automatically have two pairs (mens and womens) of "rivals" in the finals. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 07:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete another pairing of two players that may have played each other a few times in semi finals but nothing more than that. to create an article about that means we might as well create articles for any pairs that have met in grand slams. LibStar (talk) 03:56, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No substantive content or references to indicate a notable rivalry Nick-D (talk) 10:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.