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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus due to a lack of a quorum. Barkeep49 (talk) 00:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Cushman[edit]

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Shorts film director/producer. Not made it to the big time. Potentially notable. scope_creepTalk 12:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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He's actually a feature film director/producer, not just short films. Has made several, widely released recognizable projects. User18889 (talk) 16:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is true but the two films he directed made didn't really make it. They aren't well known, or well reviewed, with little attendant coverage. scope_creepTalk
I don't fully disagree in terms of the films not being exceptionally and widely recognized movies, although in the scope of independent films they've received notable distribution and recognition, and at least the last film "The Maestro" had theatrical distribution which is more than 90% of independent films can say. I feel the director has enough notability, especially in the independent film world, to warrant inclusion. User18889 (talk) 07:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That may be the case, but that is only film and that's not sufficient for a BLP. It needs in-depth, independent, reliable, secondary sources for a BLP. I'm looking for somebody come up with two or three good references that show he is notable. At the moment the references in the article are not sufficient. I found one reference in the Hollywood Report but that is about that.

scope_creepTalk 08:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's multiple references in many of the articles both on the film pages as well as his page that mention him, beyond the Hollywood Reporter, including the Los Angeles Times and Voyage LA as well as multiple others. He's notable in the independent film and literature world, which should still qualify. User18889 (talk) 16:23, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The references are terrible. Lets go through them.
  1. Goodreads. In this instance it is probably non-rs and fails WP:NOT.
  2. Goodreads. Same as above.
  3. Profile page. No independent.
  4. Devilworks. Passing mention. Not in-depth.
  5. Rotten Tomatoes. Passing mention and fails WP:NOT. Non-RS.
  6. LA Times. Article on Xander Berkeley. Passing mention. Non-RS.
  7. DTLA film maker awards. Adam Cushman was awarded Best Director for Restraint. Really a passing mention. Minor award. Not in-depth, secondary, or independent.
  8. Restraint. Cast list. Non-RS.
  9. Special events. Directed by. passing mention.Non-RS.
  10. BSFF. Don't see him.
  11. AFMX. Doesn't seem to be him here either.

So the first 10 refs are exceedingly poor. Junk is only way to describe them. Lots of passing mentions, cast list, minor or non-notable awards. No indication of being notable. No coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. Fails WP:DIRECTOR. scope_creepTalk 16:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSandDoctor Talk 02:55, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Don't agree that the sources are unreliable. LA Times, Rotten Tomatoes and the awards pages and announcements are absolutely reliable. Goodreads isn't promotion, it's verification of the work. Awards announcements are as such as well; verification. BSFF shows award laurel for film (The Maestro) if you check again, as it's being referenced in the article. BSFF also mentions The Maestro, if you scroll down to 2018 winners, again as it's referencing in the article. DTLA film maker awards is an announcement, not a passing mention, as is how they're typically done. Not sure "junk" is how to describe proper, verifiable sources.User18889 (talk) 16:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your not addressing policy as you haven't spent a lot of time on Wikipedia. You seem to a SPA. The closing administrator has a right to ignore your comment as it doesn't address policy. Looking at your comment, it makes no sense. It is entirely subjective and doesn't follow policy. scope_creepTalk 16:44, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Understandable about WP:SIGCOV being questionable, although I believe there's enough interest to warrant listing. Not an SPA, newer to wiki but haven't had time to edit more, but maintain that I disagree that it fails WP:DIRECTOR, as subject is well known in independent film business. User18889 (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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