Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A. F. M. Rezaul Karim Siddique

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The result was Keep, because of nomination withdrawn Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 03:34, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A. F. M. Rezaul Karim Siddique[edit]

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WP:1E, this article reads like a prose resume, this guy is notable only for a single event and can entirely be covered in Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh -- nafSadh did say 02:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawing, any non-involved editor may close it. --nafSadh did say 16:19, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk 07:08, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk 07:08, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Musa Talk 07:08, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I see the nominator created Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh. It's a fine article but its existence does not preclude the creation of separate biographies where warranted. The death of Siddique in particular received worldwide coverage that some of the deaths listed in the other article didn't get. In addition Siddique founded a music school (BBC) and was the founder editor of a literary magazine indicating that his significance was greater than just the manner of his death. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:02, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I largely agree with Philafrenzy's statement. Just because the there a larger article doesn't mean this individual article about the individual person should not be kept. I took a brief look through the article and it seems relevant enough. It helps at times to have smaller subarticles rather than lump it all together in the main one. Inter&anthro (talk) 13:57, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, Seems to meet GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 15:47, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Stefanomione (talk) 20:20, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A. F. M. Rezaul Karim Siddique ‍sir founded a music school (BBC) and was the founder editor of a literary magazine indicating that his significance was greater than just the manner of his death. --Nahid Hossain (talk) 02:37, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh. Person is notable only for a single event and was not widely known before his death. ~ Moheen ^(talk) 04:19, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think it should remain as it stands. Perhaps more work could go into it, sure, but I don't see any valid reason to merge it.

Oulipal (talk) 11:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Easily passes WP:GNG. Philafrenzy makes a strong case. Edwardx (talk) 12:55, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have given due diligence and tried to improve the article before I AFD'd it. He is a professor and obviously involved with some activities. But I couldn't find any material covering his works other than his death. We can create articles for every pageants and for every person claimed by ISIL. But that won't maintain the quality of an encyclopedia. When one reads A. F. M. Rezaul Karim Siddique, only thing reader gets other than his CV is that he was claimed by ISIL. --nafSadh did say 20:42, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Nafsadh: +1 ~ Moheen ^(talk) 11:35, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh would be better Raihan Rana (talk) 20:08, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh.Is he notable for his death?because all the reference ons this article are news about his death.--Souravdgx (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge as the article itself is still questionable by itself, and there's no serious needs for deleting and but of course also nothing for independent improvements. SwisterTwister talk 05:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh. This is true that, he is a professor and Cultural activist but it doesn't mean This article is notable for keeping. So, it should be merged, because all of the references shows his death news coverage it doesn't establish notability guidelines.--Rafaell Russell (talk) 09:50, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I reinstated the "not a ballot" box (originally added by another user then removed) as there does seem to be a fair amount of "me too" voting from Bangladeshi users. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

True that. Some people are supporting this AfD just because they don't want to see coverage on these incidents. That is a different motive than what I have. Just saying 'merge to' without reason doesn't add much. I still don't see however, how this article still has nothing more than his death and yet convinces a lot of people of its standalone existence. I don't see any reason to keep forking pages for each person. If the main article becomes too long, we can always fork off Victims of attacks on secularists in Bangladesh or whatever. --nafSadh did say 04:57, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well one reason for splitting some of them out is to prevent them being known only as victims which actually is a double indignity. Not only have the terrorists killed the man but they have forever defined him as a victim rather than the rounded human being he really was. Is there are chance that he wouldn't be notable if he was a Harvard or Oxford professor? I don't think so. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Most academics who gets to teach at top universities, already have to demonstrate substantial work, which often makes them notable. We can't just warrant standalone article based on what-if. I won't have AfDed if I found any way to add substantially more material. --nafSadh did say 20:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per Philafrenzy. We lack depth in our coverage of non Western academics. Gareth E. Kegg (talk) 09:04, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This person dose not meet the WP:ACADEMIC criteria also. Where most of the users do not agree to merge. ~ Moheen ^(talk) 12:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can't vote twice. Please strike one of your votes. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge makes the most sense, since the subject is not notable per PROF, but the article has some relevance. Note that many of the "keeps" seem to be of the WP:ILIKEIT type. Agricola44 (talk) 16:47, 3 May 2016 (UTC).[reply]
Keep as the article already has very good references including the BBC and the Guardian and other newspapers and he was notable for establishing a college and an organisation before the violence of his death, passes WP:BASIC Atlantic306 (talk) 22:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 07:22, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tricky one, IMO, because this guy can only really be considered notable due to the unfortunate circumstances of his murder. That said, I think there is enough coverage to suggest that the murder itself is notable and therefore scope to suggest that the life of the person - who was directly targeted - was also notable in that it is part of the story. So I think I think (as it were) that this page would be instructive and encyclopedic if it could be fleshed out to explain what this guy did during that made him a target for the murderers, and there ought to be sufficient sources to write that. So on that basis I'm !voting keep as there is more of a notable life story here beyond being part of a cohort of people murdered in this way. JMWt (talk) 09:48, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - it would be premature to merge, considering the ongoing demonstrations. He also seems not to have been a secularist, but simply a progressive professor and representative of Bengali culture. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 12:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely right, I have been meaning to raise exactly this point. It's more about a clash of cultures generally than his religious beliefs or lack thereof and therefore to include him only on a list of deaths of "secularists" may be misleading. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, really! He probably belongs to Victims of Islamic extremism in Bangladesh rather than Attacks on secularists in Bangladesh. Gotta withdraw AfD. --nafSadh did say 16:17, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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