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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. No support for deletion, but also no policy-based "keep"-arguments, just assertions of importance. Therefore we don't have an informed consensus either way here. Sandstein 15:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Israeli Basketball National League Cup[edit]

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Too soon, and draftspace would be fine until the tournament is held and sources eventuate, but creator is unwilling to accept it so we're here. Star Mississippi 16:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, Basketball, and Israel. Star Mississippi 16:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as easily notable per WP:NEXIST. Totally unclear why the NATIONAL *LEAGUE* BASKETBALL CUP of Israel would be TOOSOON, a country with a HUGE basketball tradition and following, AFTER IT HAS ALREADY STARTED! This nomination is an obvious error. The article is not a fit for the draft space at this stage. gidonb (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no sourcing to be found that establishes why this particular edition is notable. It will be, when external sourcing develops. Right now it's primarily talking about the Cup as a whole and the postponements. Incubation would be wonderful. Star Mississippi 18:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When you say that there is no sourcing, do you mean that there are no notability-supporting references in the article? What is the added value for WP of frustrating the development of sports articles by our sports contributors and, for the general community, of even more AfDs like this one? Don't we have enough AfDs? I have linked this article to Hewiki and cleaned it up a bit. gidonb (talk) 21:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I first came across it, there were two sources to the league. My Before, and in extremely rudimentary Hebrew helped by Google translate found nothing that would establish notability. I have a lot of respect for you as a fellow editor @Gidonb but you know Don't we have enough AfDs? isn't an argument to keep as it can easily be refuted by don't we have enough seasonal articles when they could be covered elsewhere? They're both bad arguments. If there was sourcing I had missed, you'd have added it. What's wrong with allowing incubation until there is sourcing? (I realize you're not the one who moved it over the draftification. Rhetorical. Star Mississippi 01:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you know Don't we have enough AfDs? isn't an argument to keep. Certainly. Just a call for reason. Season articles take a year, cup articles not much less to develop. This cup has been shortened so from this perspective (only) a positive exception. We should not sit out there with stopwatches in our hands waiting for everything to fall into place. gidonb (talk) 01:29, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please stick to policy and guideline based arguments.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 23:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per gidonb and above. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 23:25, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Significant national-level tournament. Carrite (talk) 22:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment semi'ed to stop the immediate disruption. If any admin wants to take it over since I did open the discussion, feel free. Constructive new users are welcome to use the Talk. Star Mississippi 02:46, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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