Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 FIFA World Cup qualification - Oceania qualifiers squads

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 FIFA World Cup qualification - Oceania qualifiers squads[edit]

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Not notable enough. This is only a qualifying tournament for 2022 FIFA World Cup. FIFA does not request the Oceanian teams to submit fixed squads for it. Centaur271188 (talk) 08:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:48, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can I ask, why do "fixed squads" matter. Seems like every FIFA tournament these days allows for players to replace one another and more than a list of 23 to be given anyway? Also, can someone explain to me how a tournament used directly for a FIFA World Cup spot (or half spot, in this case) is "not notable enough", but Football at the 2017 Islamic Solidarity Games – Men's team squads passes? - J man708 (talk) 10:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - @J man708: To me, 'fixed squads' demanded and later announced officially by FIFA are notable enough. This is not the case here - your first sentence in the article is factually wrong already, unless you have sources to prove it. Secondly, a fixed squad can only be amended within a time limit (24 hours before the team's first match, per 2018 regulations), and it is still fixed during this pandemic (per Euro 2020 regulations, a squad could have up to 26 players, and 23 of them would be registered for a match). This is not the case here either - the teams can call up more players afterwards, so it is just like the 'squads' announced before any normal international windows. Finally, I would pass all squad articles for Olympics, Asian Games, Commonwealth Games, Pan American Games etc. as long as they have good sources, because those all are proper sporting events. This is not... you know it. Centaur271188 (talk) 11:31, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source - Squads seem pretty fixed from this article. Like the Euro's 26, the maximum squad size seems to be 30. Teams can't logically call up more players, as they'd have travel and quarantine. - J man708 (talk) 02:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@J man708: That cannot be considered an official announcement by any means. In addition to my previous points, a fixed squad also has fixed jersey numbers for players. Needless to say, these 'squads' fail that criterion too. Your other arguments are only speculation. Interestingly, the Papuans said they had registered a reserve list of "up to 60 players" [1]. You might want to find that list and add it, if your article survives this AfD :) Centaur271188 (talk) 05:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How can it not be an official announcement if it's on the OFC's own website? Preliminary World Cup squads contain 30 or more players all the time, seems the same to me. We don't include the preliminary ones, only on the country's article under recent callups. Also, I feel like you're also speculating that squads won't maintain fixed jersey numbers. Can I just ask, if the OFC retroactively a few years down the line decided that this tournament should be given OFC Nations Cup status, then I'd assume you'd have no issue with its article status? If so, may I ask, what's the difference if it's something that a name change alone can justify the article's status? - J man708 (talk) 09:54, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@J man708: 1: FIFA and OFC have not requested fixed squads from Oceanian teams in the first place, so that announcement is only informative. 2: Even preliminary squads for World Cup finals are notable enough (I contributed to the 2018 squad article quite actively), until the final squads are confirmed, this is not relevant anyway because we are talking about qualifying 'squads'. 3: All official squads have fixed jersey numbers announced simultaneously, before the teams start playing - not this time, we will have to watch all teams' first 2 matches to verify their 'seemingly fixed' numbers (how ridiculous). 4: If I remember correctly, Wikipedia does not cover 'what if' stuff, so I will not answer your questions. Centaur271188 (talk) 11:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your three arguments all seem just as speculative?, but that's fine, points made. As for the 4th, you know that's bull - if they retroactively named this the OFC Nations Cup, you'd be as for it as the Euros squad pages. Either way, I understand this page won't survive (or will miraculously be remade should the tournament be retroactively named). I'm just wanting this page to survive for the week as a reference listing of the squads to save time looking between the nation's pages - J man708 (talk) 13:34, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@J man708: No, why do you think that? Actually I admit my latter half of #1 sounds speculative, but only that part. And yes :) if your assumption comes true, then... Anyway, if you want to keep it as a ref listing, why wouldn't you try a sandbox page? Centaur271188 (talk) 16:01, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn’t set it up as a sandbox page because I didn’t think it would be immediately put up for AfD. Probably will turn it into one though for the sake of referencing it, however. - J man708 (talk) 22:27, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Squad lists for tournament qualifiers are not notable enough for stand-alone articles as the squads can change between matches, whereas squad lists for final tournaments cannot be changed during the tournament barring force majeur. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, by that logic, we should delete UEFA Euro 2020 squads aswell, as their rules are the same? - J man708 (talk) 02:02, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, the actual Euro 2020 tournament has defined squad lists for the tournament (23 players who are the only ones that can play). Qualifying tournaments don't have this, as you can choose 25 players for a squad for one set of matches, then a different combination for all the other matches. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as above, these "squad lists" are made up, as FIFA/OFC don't demand fixed squad lists that have to be the same for every match. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification process for other continents do not have a page for team squads and this should not be an exception.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 12:43, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per nom. KyleRGiggs (talk) 23:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How on Earth is this a speedy delete? - J man708 (talk) 14:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. There is no such thing as one squad for qualifying matches, they change from month to month. Giant Snowman 15:24, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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